Bad Language in Discovery

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Jamie Calderhead, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. cultcross

    cultcross The Slay of the Doctor Moderator

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    And my tardigrade!
     
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  2. UncleRogi

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    Is there a "worst series in the franchise"?
    I believe there are lesser-liked series, but as this is totally subjective there is no definitive
    answer. Just differences in opinion. It's ALL Star Trek.

    Now back to the fucking silly conversation about the word 'fuck', for shits sake.

    :whistle: :hugegrin:
     
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  3. Prax

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    That reminds me of when people say "Star Wars was Not for kids!" And I think to myself "laser swords? All powerful space wizards? Space battles? Evil cyborg?"

    There was an interview with George Lucas on Conan O'brien maybe ten years ago, and he was talking about his new cartoon, and he says "And now this show on cartoon network is watched by a whole new generation of kids...uh..and 30 something's.."
     
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  4. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    Why would those elements be restricted to kids entertainment?
     
  5. C.E. Evans

    C.E. Evans Admiral Admiral

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    I actually think the reason why Star Trek may not appeal to kids anymore is just that they find it boring, too talky, and a bit old hat. In the age of video games, social media, etc., there's far more things out there holds their interest more, IMO.
     
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  6. UncleRogi

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    I missed it...
    Is this thread rated NC-17 or just PG?

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  7. Grendelsbayne

    Grendelsbayne Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    However you like it. But all of your objections to the term 'supermarket' apply equally to the term 'dept. store'. As far as I'm concerned Wal-mart is a supermarket and a dept. store and several other things besides, and none of those things stop it from being any of the others.
     
  8. Nerys Myk

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    Which was my point. It's not just a Supermarket.
     
  9. jamestyler

    jamestyler Commodore Commodore

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    Thats partly where I've been surprised; I've had them sit down and watch the most unexpected things. I got two of them to not only sit and watch Beyond, but ask for more (they didn't like Nemesis or insurrection, but no one does so thats ok :p). I was incredibly surprised they voluntarily watched Duel, which has barely any dialogue or action!

    Granted, not all kids have that long an attention span and some expect the same whimsy as a Harry Potter, or the action of Jurrassic World, but I think there is an audience of kids there who can still appreciate a good show.

    With Discovery, what I think adds to that is pacing. In the handful of episodes so far I've been very surprised at how quickly time passes; even if it does seem talky or too sciencey.... it feels much quicker than it is.
     
  10. Tuskin38

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    George also repeated at, I think Celebration this year that star wars is for kids.
     
  11. _Roger_

    _Roger_ Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I agree with Jamie. Normalizing vulgar language especially for young viewers is unhelpful, and debases our society. I do not use that language myself in public, there is no need for it, as there are plenty of far more expressive words available to us in our rich language. I'll admit using "bad" language if I smash my toes into a table leg, but I don't use it regularly or publicly to express myself. I guess that just makes me uncool in the eyes of some people. So be it. I don't think being vulgar is being cool. As for the blood, gore, brutality, and torture seen in this trek incarnation more than in any other, even if it may be the new normal in videogames, etc., I think that makes this trek unsuitable for young viewers, unlike say TOS or TNG. (Though Picard was tortured in TNG.). Sure the real world has vulgar language and violence, but isn't it a good thing to maintain the innocence of young minds for at least some period of time, and let children discover the harsh realities gradually over time? On the other hand, children must be trained to detect and reject predation, but this is more taught by understanding respect for personal boundaries, than full disclosure of the detailed horrors of abuse, etc.
     
  12. Tuskin38

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    It is rated TV-MA, that tells you it isn’t meant for young viewers.
     
  13. Nerys Myk

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    Do you skip the ones with "damn", "hell" and "shit" in them?
     
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    What's more important than swearing, sex, and violence is context. That's what matters more than anything and as long as children are taught about such things then there's nothing damaging about them hearing a bad word.
     
  15. Prax

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    You may not enter without proper ID. Since you had to ask, I assume you have none. About face, forward march!
    It's not restricted at all, that's just what pops into my head when someone says that Star Wars is not a kids movie.
     
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  16. AntonyF

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    I personally hated it. A lot. It just feels unnecessary, fundamentally. I have never once, in 30 years of being a Trek fan, thought "This show is great, but the horrors of the Dominon war would be better with some swearing. And Voyager... it was stranded, but it'd feel much more real if Janeway swore". Never. Data's "shit" I found cheeky, but the limit.

    I think Trek was a positive future, good for all ages. I watched it when I was nine... it got into it massively. I from there then got a modem... made my first Trek website, got into website design, got into marketing... it did play a big part in my career. It's not exaggeration - if I wasn't fueled into making those Trek sites, I'm not sure I would have gone that route. It was being able to show my Trek sites that got me my first job. I saw a friend last week that I met online about 20 years ago from my love of Trek and chatting in Trek chat rooms.

    It saddens me that kids are being excluded from Star Trek, that it's making it an adults-only show... that it's excluding them from a slice of hope in a very dark desperate world. It's a shame they won't be able to be formed in a positive way from it.

    And it added NOTHING to the story.

    That said... the show is hardly spinning a positive future, so perhaps they're not missing out on much.
     
  17. Tuskin38

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    They’re working towards that future, I have a feeling it will get lighter as the show progresses.
     
  18. It seems that you guys are not really mad about the f-word, its the realization that this is a different star trek that is hard to swallow.

    And i understand that, i wish there was two new shows at the same time. I am really happy about Discovery being this more adult serie, but i wouldnt mind a lighthearted, slightly silly and positive family show in addition.

    Guess we cant have it all.
    Unless disco becomes huge and someone jumps in to ride the trek wave.
     
  19. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored Yo, Dawg! I Heard You Like Avatars... In Memoriam

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    Don't confuse your personal preference (which is fine) with the norm for society at large. And how does a TV show cursing "debase society", exactly? That's absurd.
     
  20. chappaai

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    I was 4 when I saw TNG for the first time. I don't specifically remember any of that scaring me, but Ursula in the Little Mermaid was terrifying to me. I also was very frightened of elements of Star Wars too. If Discovery was on when I was a kid and I watched it, I probably would've had nightmares for a month from the graphic violence. Kids also need good role models, and I don't see any of those in Discovery