Babylon 5

[Steve Roby]

Oh, I know. But like I say, it's a start. I read once about a book by a member of a band I really like. The guy's done a lot of things, but that band is one of the two things he's most famous for by far, having been in the group from 1980-86 and taking them from obscurity to some pretty big hits in the UK. I was tempted to see what he'd have to say about his time with the band then saw a review that said he discussed them for all of two pages. I hope JMS spends somewhat more than two pages on B5.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

OK I was watching the end of season 4 of Babylon 5 and it just irked me the way the whole Shadow war ended.

I really felt like the Drakh were a loose end that the writers didn't quite know what to do with. For instance.
Also I get that the Drakh felt a little put out that the Shadows had left, but that annoyed me in that yeah they are leaving the younger races because Sheridan goes ape at them and then Lorien now decides to go space daddy and take the kids back home....

But they never tell all those underlings "hey we are leaving behave yourselves and don't dummy spit."

Lo and behold that's just what the Drakh do when they have one gigantic dummy spit.

 

[DonIago]

It did seem...dubious...that the Shadows and Vorlons simply left without taking any time to clean up after themselves. And uncharacteristic of Lorien not to consider that.

 

[matthunter]

If it's not an active plan of theirs, then anything that happens after they leave is on the head of the lesser races. The ones who just told them they were ready to stand on their own.

If you remove/neuter the Drakh you'd have to do the same with the telepaths. And the Minbari, come to that. Both benefited greatly from their close association with one side or the other. But any baggage they want to keep carrying from that is really on them.

You might argue the Drakh losing their home on Zha'ha'dum is a bit worse, but then why didn't they have an original planet in the first place? Unless it was destroyed by the Vorlon planet-killers?

 

[DonIago]

Maybe the Drakh were a created race?

Anyway, the Shadows could at least have taken their remaining planet killers with them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

OK I was watching the end of season 4 of Babylon 5 and it just irked me the way the whole Shadow war ended.

I really felt like the Drakh were a loose end that the writers didn't quite know what to do with. For instance.
Also I get that the Drakh felt a little put out that the Shadows had left, but that annoyed me in that yeah they are leaving the younger races because Sheridan goes ape at them and then Lorien now decides to go space daddy and take the kids back home....

But they never tell all those underlings "hey we are leaving behave yourselves and don't dummy spit."

Lo and behold that's just what the Drakh do when they have one gigantic dummy spit.

The Drahk are ancient.

In less than a million years, they are going to be a power just like the Vorlons or Shadows.

I wonder if they are immortal already?

 

[Jan]

I really felt like the Drakh were a loose end that the writers didn't quite know what to do with. For instance.
Also I get that the Drakh felt a little put out that the Shadows had left, but that annoyed me in that yeah they are leaving the younger races because Sheridan goes ape at them and then Lorien now decides to go space daddy and take the kids back home....

But they never tell all those underlings "hey we are leaving behave yourselves and don't dummy spit."

Lo and behold that's just what the Drakh do when they have one gigantic dummy spit.

You seem to be assuming that the Shadows cared about the Drakh one way or another? We certainly never saw any indication that they entertained any of the nicer sensibilites like loyalty. And the Drakh deciding to play Shadows to the Centauri made perfect sense to me.

Things happened both before and after the events shown in the B5 'documentary' that covered five years. The Drakh were part of that.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

In less than a million years, they are going to be a power just like the Vorlons or Shadows.

I wonder if they are immortal already?

I thought only a few of the first ones were "Immortal"?

The younger races like the Drakh only needs to be able to have a long average lifespan.

That means being able to live longer than human beings on average.

And in B5 Universe, there are plenty of Alien species that can do that.

 

[valkyrie013]

The old races could have at least picked up there toys when they left..

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The old races could have at least picked up there toys when they left..

Sounds an awful lot like our present day conundrum in Afghanistan, that is all over the main stream media.

You have no idea the amount of modern Military Hardware that fell into the hands of the Taliban because of our PotUS' bad decision to withdraw the way he did.

He pulled out like it was the power plug of a Kitchen appliance.

With no regards for the locals.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...on-biden-moral-responsibility-evacuate-allies

Even our closest allies like France is chiding Biden with the way he handled things.

 

[Jan]

The old races could have at least picked up there toys when they left..

They were evicted. Hardly likely they cared about cleaning up after themselves.

 

[Timby]

Sounds an awful lot like our present day conundrum in Afghanistan, that is all over the main stream media.

You have no idea the amount of modern Military Hardware that fell into the hands of the Taliban because of our PotUS' bad decision to withdraw the way he did.

He pulled out like it was the power plug of a Kitchen appliance.

With no regards for the locals.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...on-biden-moral-responsibility-evacuate-allies

Even our closest allies like France is chiding Biden with the way he handled things.

This is an incredibly odd and, quite frankly, unnecessary tangent to go on. Cut it out.

 

[Gov Kodos]

They were evicted. Hardly likely they cared about cleaning up after themselves.

The Shadows and Vorlons didn't care about anyone other than themselves. The rest of the galaxy, apart from other First Ones, were a bunch of ant farms to be toyed with or just eradicated when out of hand. They were hardly likely to be concerned with the fallout of their leaving.

 

[publiusr]

I liked this show a lot.

Zathras was one of my favorites

“Very sad life…probably have very sad death…at least there is symmetry.”

My thoughts exactly.

But when I first saw the character…and heard him well before the time loop whatever….I swore I had seen that character before…that same sense of familiarity ex nilho was in a toy called “Teddy Ruxpin” that I also thought I had heard of in the 70s. I don’t know about retrocausality, but those two instances are close. Instant classics…how do they seem pre-finished when just born.

 

[Farscape One]

I remember Teddy Ruxpin! I actually had one.

Children of the 80s, unite!!! (Born in '79, but obviously I won't remember those last 6 months of that year...)

 

[Guy Gardener]

You seem to be assuming that the Shadows cared about the Drakh one way or another? We certainly never saw any indication that they entertained any of the nicer sensibilites like loyalty. And the Drakh deciding to play Shadows to the Centauri made perfect sense to me.

Things happened both before and after the events shown in the B5 'documentary' that covered five years. The Drakh were part of that.

The Shadows cared deeply about the younger races.

Million year old people being killed by fleas like Sheridan, just so they can uplift the galaxy a little.

If the Narns are still in exactly the same place in a million years, the tree people of today who caught up, are going to murder them, and take their ###t.

It's a queue.

Ever been behind a Grammy in a bank queue hobbling along with a jar of pennies to deposit?

 

[Jan]

The Shadows and Vorlons didn't care about anyone other than themselves. The rest of the galaxy, apart from other First Ones, were a bunch of ant farms to be toyed with or just eradicated when out of hand. They were hardly likely to be concerned with the fallout of their leaving.

Exactly. Or rather, perhaps, they didn't care about anyone but each other. Originally they may have wanted what was best for the younger races but that desire had gotten lost and been replaced by the desire to be proven Right and the other one Wrong.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Shadows and Vorlons didn't care about anyone other than themselves. The rest of the galaxy, apart from other First Ones, were a bunch of ant farms to be toyed with or just eradicated when out of hand. They were hardly likely to be concerned with the fallout of their leaving.

Then when Sheridan said "Get the hell out of our galaxy"...why did they comply?

 

[MacLeod]

Then when Sheridan said "Get the hell out of our galaxy"...why did they comply?

I remember them trying to destroy the Whitestar, it wasn't until they had a speaking to by an even older being they decided to leave.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ You mean Lorien, amirite? I guess that makes sense.

I always used to wonder why the Shadows and/or Vorlons didn't simply blast Sheridan to space dust, but if it was Lorien's urging, I'm down with that.