IIRC that was done because in real life, those two actors did not get along. Mostly Doyle I think.
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The incredulous bit from the comic, is how Catherine also fell foul of a time crack, and met Jeff in the past, and they had kids.
Ewwwwww.
Ewwwwww.
Catherine not only JUST HAPPENS to fall into a time vortex, but she JUST HAPPENS to meet Sinclair in the past? A more wild coincidence I have yet to see.
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Yeah, and just how many time vortices have you fallen into. I mean... Sorry, got to go, it's Albert Einstein at the door. Again. *sigh*Catherine not only JUST HAPPENS to fall into a time vortex, but she JUST HAPPENS to meet Sinclair in the past? A more wild coincidence I have yet to see.
I don't know...once you establish that Epsilon 3 can create time portals to specific times and places with reasonable degrees of precision, is it that off the wall that they'd have some way to find people who'd gotten lost in time?
Heck, if Catherine was lost in the past she could have left Sinclair a note. "Do not open until Christmas!" or such. It worked well enough to set things in motion at the beginning of "War Without End"...
Heck, if Catherine was lost in the past she could have left Sinclair a note. "Do not open until Christmas!" or such. It worked well enough to set things in motion at the beginning of "War Without End"...
Pity we never got the chance to learn anything more about the Great Machine (including, but not limited to, who actually BUILT it).
I guess it's possible that whoever is controlling the Machine intentionally sent Catherine into the past at a precise time frame (and location) where she would eventually meet Sinclair...
On a vaguely related matter:
Really? I find that hard to believe. Jerry Doyle seemed to be the kind who'd get along with pretty much everybody.
I guess it's possible that whoever is controlling the Machine intentionally sent Catherine into the past at a precise time frame (and location) where she would eventually meet Sinclair...
On a vaguely related matter:
It seems obvious that after Sinclair transformed into Valen, he built the Triluminaries - out of fragments of his own Earth Alliance comlink. That's what it looks like, anyway. We do get to see a Triluminary closeup and it does seem to have a bit of a comlink suspended inside.
Really? I find that hard to believe. Jerry Doyle seemed to be the kind who'd get along with pretty much everybody.
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Wasn't the Great Machine built by that race that appeared in "A VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS" two-parter?
You know what's weird? Somehow I knew the EXACT twist of "Arthur" from nearly the beginning of the pisode. No one had ever told me, I just intuited it and I don't know how.
The story of how exactly Sakai and Sinclair met back up is one of the few major dangling threads from the whole franchise since all we have is a few nebulous references and a whole lot of inference.
Either way, I doubt very much that it was by any means a coincidence given that 1) they both went through *the same time vortex* and 2) Valen said he "found her". Finding implies searching, which means she probably didn't just conveniently appear. For all we know she was dumped 10,000 years into the past and the Vorlons or Draal kept her on ice long enough to catch up to Valen times. Or Valen went back into the vortex and pulled her out...somehow.
Either way, I doubt very much that it was by any means a coincidence given that 1) they both went through *the same time vortex* and 2) Valen said he "found her". Finding implies searching, which means she probably didn't just conveniently appear. For all we know she was dumped 10,000 years into the past and the Vorlons or Draal kept her on ice long enough to catch up to Valen times. Or Valen went back into the vortex and pulled her out...somehow.
No.
That race was entrusted with guarding the machine, but there's no evidence they actually built it.
That's right. I forgot that.
I figure that machine was left by one of the First Ones. Maybe even ones that left the galaxy long ago.
I figure that machine was left by one of the First Ones. Maybe even ones that left the galaxy long ago.
I think Doyle gave interviews where he talked about disliking O'Hare (without referring to him by name), and in JMS's autobiography, he describes their dynamic this way (page 329):
Since [O'Hare's] symptoms were exacerbated by stress, I adjusted the remaining scripts to move other characters into the foreground, shaving off some of Michael's hours and reducing the weight he had to carry as the lead. This had an immediate benefit, and Michael began to exhibit fewer symptoms. His situation would've been almost managable had there not been a personality conflict with fellow actor Jerry Doyle, who'd figured out that there was something wrong with Michael. Despite not knowing the full extent of the problem, Jerry took every opprotunity to wind him up like a cheap watch just to watch him spin out.
Considering his final career as AM radio talk-jock, and some of Garibaldi's most brutal views being direct quotes of the actor (the "electric bleachers" crack, for instance), I'm not really surprised that Doyle had a taste for bullying a more "sensitive" man.
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Oh, definitely not. He got along with people if they understood his often unpleasant attitude, but if someone took it at face value I can see there being a permanent rift.
Nevertheless, there was an in-universe reason why Garibaldi couldn't be allowed to see Sinclair again, wasn't there?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was. IIRC, in Babylon Squared, both Garibaldi and Sinclair were exposed to the time vortex without any protection. And in WWE, Sinclair was prematurely aged because he was exposed to the vortex a second time (when B4 jumped a few years into the future). He didn't want to risk the same thing happening to Garibaldi, so that's why Sinclair didn't say anything about being back on the station - until it was too late for Garibaldi to do anything about it.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was. IIRC, in Babylon Squared, both Garibaldi and Sinclair were exposed to the time vortex without any protection. And in WWE, Sinclair was prematurely aged because he was exposed to the vortex a second time (when B4 jumped a few years into the future). He didn't want to risk the same thing happening to Garibaldi, so that's why Sinclair didn't say anything about being back on the station - until it was too late for Garibaldi to do anything about it.
Seriously? That’s really awful! That’s sad and pathetic, and just plain mean. You don’t screw around with someone who has mental health issues. You just don’t.
Well, there are two possibilities there -
(1) Doyle WAS an asshole pouncing on a perceived weaker victim.
(2) Some actors love to zing each other and mess with each other in fun. I recall watching a friend do such things back in his local theater days (basically throw your costar a curve on stage), and his costars usually took it as a challenge to up their game. Jerry may or may not have known he was causing harm by doing so.
I know Claudia Christian loved Doyle dearly, and was devastated by his death.
(1) Doyle WAS an asshole pouncing on a perceived weaker victim.
(2) Some actors love to zing each other and mess with each other in fun. I recall watching a friend do such things back in his local theater days (basically throw your costar a curve on stage), and his costars usually took it as a challenge to up their game. Jerry may or may not have known he was causing harm by doing so.
I know Claudia Christian loved Doyle dearly, and was devastated by his death.
I hate to speak ill of the dead, and I don't know how much of it was art imitating live or vice-versa, but I felt like Garibaldi just became an increasingly bigger ass as the series progressed. I know he had more than his fair share of crap befall him, but it was how he handled it that irked me, and finding out that the actor was conservative enough to be a radio host didn't really help my assessment of him or the character. Granted I never met him and have no idea what he actually was like as a person, but it's easier than I'd like for me to believe that he was tweaking O'Hare on purpose.
OTOH, Claudia seems to be pretty amazing, and if she loved Doyle, that helps with the sense that maybe he did come off better in person than the sense I've gotten. He seems amiable enough on the commentary tracks (and it's hard to hear him and Richard Biggs on the same track :/ ).
OTOH, Claudia seems to be pretty amazing, and if she loved Doyle, that helps with the sense that maybe he did come off better in person than the sense I've gotten. He seems amiable enough on the commentary tracks (and it's hard to hear him and Richard Biggs on the same track :/ ).
I met Jerry years ago, and he was quite friendly. I find it very possible he was doing that as a zinger with Michael.
It's also possible he did do it intentionally, but not really realizing just how much damage was being done. O'Hare passed away 4 years before Doyle, and maybe finding out about O'Hare's mental issues softened Doyle.
I tend to think it's the former explanation, though.
It's also possible he did do it intentionally, but not really realizing just how much damage was being done. O'Hare passed away 4 years before Doyle, and maybe finding out about O'Hare's mental issues softened Doyle.
I tend to think it's the former explanation, though.
People are complicated. Sometimes, such people are fundamentally incompatible with other differently complicated people.
To some, Jerry's way of interacting was endearingly brash and refreshingly irreverent. To others, it was crass, insensitive, lacking a sense of awareness or basic compassion. If there was a failure on Doyle's part, it was a lack of self-awareness.
JMS at least had the wherewithal to recognise where the friction would be and try to adjust for it.
To some, Jerry's way of interacting was endearingly brash and refreshingly irreverent. To others, it was crass, insensitive, lacking a sense of awareness or basic compassion. If there was a failure on Doyle's part, it was a lack of self-awareness.
JMS at least had the wherewithal to recognise where the friction would be and try to adjust for it.
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