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Babylon 5

The Legions of Fire novels give a decent look at Londo and Vir and are considered canon to the series by JMS, though Jan could give a better a word on their relative canonicity.
 
It's really a shame that those books are ridiculous expensive
They generally are but, on Amazon at least, sellers do come up with good prices but they sell almost instantly. I got all mine under twenty dollars US but it was from daily checking and ordering one as soon as it popped up.
 
They generally are but, on Amazon at least, sellers do come up with good prices but they sell almost instantly. I got all mine under twenty dollars US but it was from daily checking and ordering one as soon as it popped up.

All three books will cost me more than 70 euro
 
The Legions of Fire novels give a decent look at Londo and Vir and are considered canon to the series by JMS, though Jan could give a better a word on their relative canonicity.
Yes, all three trilogies in particular are considered canon as they were based on outlines by JMS. Also, "The Shadow Within" and "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" are considered canon.
 
It's really a shame that those books are ridiculous expensive
I just checked Amazon Marketplace and the lowest priced used copy of the first book for $6.12 and in good condition, but the cheapest new copy is (ouch) $84.28.
Book 2's cheapest used copy is only $2.69 and in acceptable condition, with the cheapest new copy at $32.95.
Book 3's cheapest copy is $25.55 and in good condition, while it's cheapest used copy is $42.50.
 
Yes, all three trilogies in particular are considered canon as they were based on outlines by JMS. Also, "The Shadow Within" and "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" are considered canon.
Splitting hairs (or prose!) I know, but from what I've been able to determine when it comes to "The Shadow Within", only the A-Plot with Anna is for sure considered 100% canon. The B-Plot stuff with Sheridan seems like a grey area. But then it's so inconsequential it probably doesn't matter either way.

Probably not a coincidence that my only real criticism of that book is that said B-Plot felt like filler (not a term I like to use lightly) and I really wish the whole book had just stuck with Anna and the Icarus crew, maybe fleshed out the other characters a little more.
 
I fell into a show hole and decided to give Babylon 5 a try. I know it was a popular show, but had never had a chance to see it. I bought season 1 and I've watched the pilot and first episode, and I gotta tell you, so far I'm not impressed. It seems kinda cheezy. Is it gonna get better? What season was the best?

Keep watching! Season 2 starts the ball going seasons 3 and 4 are exceptionally strong.

While later seasons do rely on season one events, the show DOES improve. You'll be hating why season 5 was axed and then renewed and why there's no closure to Bestor by the end. The Psi-Corps ruled. The Psi-Corps are like Section 31 except they got Chekov to play the lead guy and, wow, Walter Koenig is quite the scene-stealer.

At least from memory; I've not seen it in decades. But, yeah, copy or not, DS9 had a much more solid start and both took their own paths. Both are great.
 
I just checked Amazon Marketplace and the lowest priced used copy of the first book for $6.12 and in good condition, but the cheapest new copy is (ouch) $84.28.
Book 2's cheapest used copy is only $2.69 and in acceptable condition, with the cheapest new copy at $32.95.
Book 3's cheapest copy is $25.55 and in good condition, while it's cheapest used copy is $42.50.

Sometimes a good way to go is a hard cover omnibus edition. I got Legions of Fire for $25.00 in hard cover when the 3 seperate paperbacks would have cost me over $85, at the time. Very similar for the TechoMage trilogy, I got that had cover even cheaper, I think $20.

Jan explained to me that the publisher prints X amount of the first volume, then when the second comes out they only print as much as sold of the first so there's less and then the third they print only as much as the second sold so the third parts are more expensive because there isn't as many to sell.


Splitting hairs (or prose!) I know, but from what I've been able to determine when it comes to "The Shadow Within", only the A-Plot with Anna is for sure considered 100% canon. The B-Plot stuff with Sheridan seems like a grey area. But then it's so inconsequential it probably doesn't matter either way.

Probably not a coincidence that my only real criticism of that book is that said B-Plot felt like filler (not a term I like to use lightly) and I really wish the whole book had just stuck with Anna and the Icarus crew, maybe fleshed out the other characters a little more.

One thing I really liked about John's side of things is it showed what he was telling his sister. Jeanne Cavelos books really seemed to attach to the show more than the other 2 trilogies. Maybe because they were more concurrent but I also think it was how she wanted to tell her story. There were several season 2 and 3 episodes that had "cracks" filled in in that Technomage trilogy, plus some of Crusade, too.
 
Keep watching! Season 2 starts the ball going seasons 3 and 4 are exceptionally strong.

While later seasons do rely on season one events, the show DOES improve. You'll be hating why season 5 was axed and then renewed and why there's no closure to Bestor by the end. The Psi-Corps ruled. The Psi-Corps are like Section 31 except they got Chekov to play the lead guy and, wow, Walter Koenig is quite the scene-stealer.

At least from memory; I've not seen it in decades. But, yeah, copy or not, DS9 had a much more solid start and both took their own paths. Both are great.

Not to snark or anything, but you just replied to a comment from 2015. I have a feeling they made up their mind one way or the other by now. :p
 
There were several season 2 and 3 episodes that had "cracks" filled in in that Technomage trilogy, plus some of Crusade, too.

Personally, it felt more to me like the Technomage trilogy was forcing open cracks into episodes. "The Geometry of Shadows" was totally deconstructed and reformed into something different (which, I suppose, is one way to avoid the "novelizing a relevant episode" pitfall, and there's one moment that took place during "Z'ha'dum" that was just as bad. Plus, I got the feeling that Cavelos disliked Londo; she always wrote him as being his ostentatiously worse self, having him say and do and think things in private that were more like when he was playing things up while he was on the job. I feel like if she'd written it, Londo would've been crowing while looking out the window while Narn was being bombed the same way he was doing presenting the surrender at the end of the episode.
 
Well, considering that "The Geometry of Shadows" is very early S2, I would argue that the Londo of that time frame was much worse a person than he would be even by the end of that season.

That said, even in the S2 finale he does some fairly despicable things.
 
I just checked Amazon Marketplace and the lowest priced used copy of the first book for $6.12 and in good condition, but the cheapest new copy is (ouch) $84.28.
Book 2's cheapest used copy is only $2.69 and in acceptable condition, with the cheapest new copy at $32.95.
Book 3's cheapest copy is $25.55 and in good condition, while it's cheapest used copy is $42.50.

And dont forget the delivery cost, which is about 10 euro.
 
Not to snark or anything, but you just replied to a comment from 2015. I have a feeling they made up their mind one way or the other by now. :p

:brickwall: D'oh!

:rofl: LOL

:whistle: I need to remember where the timestamp indicator is in the message...
 
Sometimes a good way to go is a hard cover omnibus edition. I got Legions of Fire for $25.00 in hard cover when the 3 seperate paperbacks would have cost me over $85, at the time. Very similar for the TechoMage trilogy, I got that had cover even cheaper, I think $20.
Looking at Ebay, it seems sellers have caught on to that trick.
 
Of the five episodes I've seen of Crusade so far, Path of Sorrows is my favorite. There are a lot more references back to Babylon 5 than I remember. Also I think the next episode finally features Lochley so I'm excited for that.
 
Sometimes a good way to go is a hard cover omnibus edition. I got Legions of Fire for $25.00 in hard cover when the 3 seperate paperbacks would have cost me over $85, at the time. Very similar for the TechoMage trilogy, I got that had cover even cheaper, I think $20.
Thanks for the tip, there are a bunch of used "good" condition copies for $40-$50 on Amazon Maretplace.

Jan explained to me that the publisher prints X amount of the first volume, then when the second comes out they only print as much as sold of the first so there's less and then the third they print only as much as the second sold so the third parts are more expensive because there isn't as many to sell.
So that's why the third books are always way more expensive than the first two.
 
Well, considering that "The Geometry of Shadows" is very early S2, I would argue that the Londo of that time frame was much worse a person than he would be even by the end of that season.

That said, even in the S2 finale he does some fairly despicable things.

I was thinking more of the sections of the last book set during late season three, during Londo's entirely off-screen collaboration with Morden. It's been a while since I read them, and I don't have them handy to check, but IIRC, Londo was getting Morden to have the Shadows do everything short of cleaning his dishes, while in the series, he asks for Morden's help getting revenge on Refa, and then we never see them together again until season 4, when Londo has to be forced to be in the same room with him.
 
All we really know is that Londo renews his association with Morden. As noted we don't get any specifics, so...pretty much anything could be going on at that point.
 
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