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How do you rate "Avengers: Infinity War"?

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Is that really so hard to believe? Thor may be the strongest Avenger, but he's not exactly a brilliant mind. Carol combines Asgardian level power with actual tactical and strategic skills. Less powerful than him, sure, but moreso than all the others - and a little less power with a little more forethought could easily be the key. Thor himself could've actually won already had he followed that formula, but that's not what he does.

And anyway, I hardly think she'll rescue everyone and kill Thanos all by herself. She'll be important, but so will Thor, Cap, Tony and many others.
 
LJones41 said:
Why is Captain Marvel needed to battle Thanos in "Avengers 4", when Thor (with his axe) is still alive?
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The same reason classic Superman works with the Justice League. (And I'm talking the classic Superman that at one point DC writers had him able to do almost anything if he put his mind to it. ;))
 
LJones41 said:
If I were involved with Tony Stark, I'd be "moany" as well.

Why is Captain Marvel needed to battle Thanos in "Avengers 4", when Thor (with his axe) is still alive?
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I think also like at this point simply killing Thanos wouldn't really solve anything? He's already accomplished his goal, they'd need to undo what he did, right?

Also from what I understand Thor is pretty powerful but Captain Marvel is like way stronger than him?
 
What are we to make of The Collector’s “One down, five to go” line from TDW?

Given what happens to him in IW, he does not appear to have been working for Thanos. So what was it all about? Did he have his own designs on the Stones?

RL explanation is probably a story idea that was abandoned, but I’d like an in-universe explanation as well as any RL info that can shed light on the line.
 
Captrek said:
What are we to make of The Collector’s “One down, five to go” line from TDW?

Given what happens to him in IW, he does not appear to have been working for Thanos. So what was it all about? Did he have his own designs on the Stones?

RL explanation is probably a story idea that was abandoned, but I’d like an in-universe explanation as well as any RL info that can shed light on the line.
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He's The Collector meaning he wants EVERYTHING in his personal collection. It's what he does, it's all he does. ;)
 
Noname Given said:
He's The Collector meaning he wants EVERYTHING in his personal collection. It's what he does, it's all he does. ;)
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So the only thing he wanted with the Stones was to have them so he could brag about having them? That’s kind of anticlimactic. He seemed so sinister when he said it.
 
Refuge said:
Because she is better. She will be the most betterest of them all.
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I'm finding that hard to believe, considering that Thor came so dangerously close to killing Thanos. Hell, the power of the Infinity stones was no match against him during that battle in Wakanda. The only problem was that he struck Thanos in the wrong place. And he's still alive. With his axe.
 
LJones41 said:
I'm finding that hard to believe, considering that Thor came so dangerously close to killing Thanos. Hell, the power of the Infinity stones was no match against him during that battle in Wakanda. The only problem was that he struck Thanos in the wrong place. And he's still alive. With his axe.
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That's the problem--because Marvel has already told the world that Captain Marvel will be the most powerful, it renders the reality of Thor being strong enough to kill Thanos as an irrelevant point. They could not dumb down Thor's power established over 5 earlier films, so they had to make him shortsighted--or stupid, when everyone knows Thanos' time should have been up from the moment Thor materialized in Wakanda.

Now, Thor will have to play dumb, or shrugging his shoulders like some accident-prone goof, all to continue to build on Captain Marvel as the most powerful (I'm suspecting). That was not necessary in the first Avengers film, as each character (who had solo films going in) were allowed to assert their ability without shortchanging anyone else. There were certainly ego issues between the Big Three, but in the end, no one had to stumble in order for another to shine. In Avengers 3, Thor stumbled when he--knowing all about the danger and potential use of the infinity stones--would not have taken a chance on Thanos having a last breath..but he did.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
That's the problem--because Marvel has already told the world that Captain Marvel will be the most powerful, it renders the reality of Thor being strong enough to kill Thanos as an irrelevant point.
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Not if it takes more than pure power to stop him.

They could not dumb down Thor's power established over 5 earlier films, so they had to make him shortsighted--or stupid, when everyone knows Thanos' time should have been up from the moment Thor materialized in Wakanda
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So he made the mistake a flawed character would make. How awful.

Now, Thor will have to play dumb, or shrugging his shoulders like some accident-prone goof, all to continue to build on Captain Marvel as the most powerful (I'm suspecting).
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Your suspicions leave much to be desired.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
That's the problem--because Marvel has already told the world that Captain Marvel will be the most powerful, it renders the reality of Thor being strong enough to kill Thanos as an irrelevant point. They could not dumb down Thor's power established over 5 earlier films, so they had to make him shortsighted--or stupid, when everyone knows Thanos' time should have been up from the moment Thor materialized in Wakanda.

Now, Thor will have to play dumb, or shrugging his shoulders like some accident-prone goof, all to continue to build on Captain Marvel as the most powerful (I'm suspecting). That was not necessary in the first Avengers film, as each character (who had solo films going in) were allowed to assert their ability without shortchanging anyone else. There were certainly ego issues between the Big Three, but in the end, no one had to stumble in order for another to shine. In Avengers 3, Thor stumbled when he--knowing all about the danger and potential use of the infinity stones--would not have taken a chance on Thanos having a last breath..but he did.
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But that’s in-character for him. Thor wasn’t being suddenly acting dumb, he was being his normal self. He usually delivers a final blow and get his last word in. Especially after Thanos wiped out half his people, Heimdall, Loki and all the suffering that he caused. He had to let Thanos know it was Thor who killed him. You can’t get mad because you disagree with established character traits, especially after it’s been shown as benefitting him so far. That’s really why Thanos has been such a devastating villain, he uses the heroes strengths, traits and arcs against them. People complain about Starlord’s actions, but they make perfect sense given his established arc and character. Peter’s entire arc so far has been dealing with loss and learning to accept it. He spent his whole life avoiding the death of his mother, never opening her last gift because that would’ve made it real to him. He finally deals with it at the end of the first movie, then he deals with killing his father and the death of his only real father figure. When it comes to Gamora, he’s willing to accept the loss and kill her as she requested. Thanos robs him of that, he actually robs him of his arc. When Peter pulled the trigger, he has accepted that he’d be ending the life of the woman he loved because she trusted him enough to be the one to do it. When he punches Thanos it’s after learning all of that was for nothing, plus you’ll remember that acting on his impulses was his key to victory in both his previous movies.

So I honestly don’t even begin to understand your complaint. You’re asking why did Thor act like Thor when he could’ve acted differently and won because you saw how the movie ended and it failed.
 
Speaking of Thor's character flaws, in TDW he accepts the Kronan's surrender and then kills him. Isn’t that a war crime? ;)

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grendelsbayne said:
And anyway, I hardly think she'll rescue everyone and kill Thanos all by herself. She'll be important, but so will Thor, Cap, Tony and many others.
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That's the problem with having any one of them so fantabulous, they make the other heroes appear like lackeys. Captain Marvel will swoosh in, save the day AND have enough time to pop back home and put a cake in the oven.
 
Awesome Possum said:
hor act like Thor when he could’ve acted differently and won because you saw how the movie ended and it failed.
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Incorrect--Thor was not consistently presented as not getting it; in The Avengers, he was not wasting time trying to halfass the job to get in some last word with the Chitauri as they swarmed New York. He was on a killing mission as he understood the threat. And before someone says, "but he tried to talk Loki out of--" Loki is his brother, and believed in redemption for him. Entirely different situation.

Thanos posed a threat greater than the Chitauri, and Thor was well aware of it, so having his strike fail to be the finishing move against what could be the greatest threat he's ever faced makes the character appear clueless or not getting it, when the entire film up to that point left no doubt that he knew exactly who and what Thanos was.

There were other ways of leading to A4, but this was not a good one at all. One can imagine how Thor will explain how he attacked Thanos, but did not kill him with the first blow so he could remove the gauntlet...
 
The Chitauri are faceless mooks, not someone who personally attacked those close to him and forced him to watch. Thanos made it personal to Thor, that's why he did it. It's an entirely different situation and comparing them doesn't make any sense unless you just have no understanding of the character at all.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Incorrect--Thor was not consistently presented as not getting it; in The Avengers, he was not wasting time trying to halfass the job to get in some last word with the Chitauri as they swarmed New York. He was on a killing mission as he understood the threat. And before someone says, "but he tried to talk Loki out of--" Loki is his brother, and believed in redemption for him. Entirely different situation.

Thanos posed a threat greater than the Chitauri, and Thor was well aware of it, so having his strike fail to be the finishing move against what could be the greatest threat he's ever faced makes the character appear clueless or not getting it, when the entire film up to that point left no doubt that he knew exactly who and what Thanos was.

There were other ways of leading to A4, but this was not a good one at all. One can imagine how Thor will explain how he attacked Thanos, but did not kill him with the first blow so he could remove the gauntlet...
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So you're mad Thor wasn't written as omnipotent and knowing that smashing Stormbreaker right into Thanos' chest and heart wouldn't be enough to kill him.
 
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