They should have had a sad scene of the beard dissolving after the Snap, and it says "I'm sorry, Steve" as it fades away.
But it's okay, because the beard just signed a three picture deal, so it'll definitely come back in the next film.
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But it's okay, because the beard just signed a three picture deal, so it'll definitely come back in the next film.
Eh, Evans always looks awesome with a beard. It's better than the "Jonah Jameson Jr" thing he's got going on now.
From all accounts, the next film will have a significant time jump since Cassie Lang is supposed to be a teen. Along with Pepper and Tony having a child (my guess is that he'll be named Peter).
That can be where some of the sense of loss comes from, the survivors manage to repair the timeline but some of them have to be sacrificed (Cap and Tony, most likely) which also means Tony's kid is erased too. Basically a better thought out take on DOFP where some things that we LIKE about the "bad" future also get erased.
From all accounts, the next film will have a significant time jump since Cassie Lang is supposed to be a teen. Along with Pepper and Tony having a child (my guess is that he'll be named Peter).
That can be where some of the sense of loss comes from, the survivors manage to repair the timeline but some of them have to be sacrificed (Cap and Tony, most likely) which also means Tony's kid is erased too. Basically a better thought out take on DOFP where some things that we LIKE about the "bad" future also get erased.
Not even remotely and this is at the core of the en masse backlash you got for your comments. I was far from alone in that, on the contrary my responses have been notable for their relative lack of confrontation, being characterised more by an open dismissal of that which seemed unworthy of the effort. That being said if we are to continue down this line perhaps I should address some of your points directly.
Art, even within the popular culture, reflects and examines aspects of humanity. In turn how we interpret that art informs the way we ask questions of ourselves.
There was nothing about the portrayal of Thanos that was morally ambiguous as far as anyone else I've spoke to here, irl or on any other forum has seen, only you have drawn that conclusion. You have then equated it to real world events both by allegory, whether intentional or otherwise, and by analogy and gone on to affect an unconvincing pretence of what others here have termed psychopathy with regard to both contexts.
That you then equate the emotional and ethical implications of such scenarios to that of hunting deer (I don't intend to be sidetracked into how even the most basic ecological grounding would give the lie to the deer hunting argument anyway) and then make strength synonymous with "superiority" only reinforces self projection you affect of emotional and ethical detachments in both contexts which lends nothing to either your stated points or your credibility.
However, where this really becomes a problem is when you move from abstractedly equating fictional characters with animals and make the case that the analogous (not to mention apparently cyclical and unavoidable) treatment of learning disabled people in the real world is a reasonable cause for gallows humour to protect the mental health of the observer.
Speaking as a mental health professional who fully appreciates the value of humour as a coping mechanism I still feel the need to dispute this position in the most robust terms. Nothing about the stigma and mistreatment of minority groups is either unavoidable or a source of "giggles". The sequential path from exclusion to disempowerment through to dehumanisation is highly influenced by public perception and arguments such as the one you have presented have been at the heart of leading society down that path many times. We should not accept genocide as an unfortunate necessity to be laughed off, we should challenge the very preconceptions that make it possible in the first place.
The problem is not with the creators, nor their art, nor even your interpretation (distasteful though it may be), it is in the justifications that have impact outside of that artistic environment.
Any kind of response to this will lead to a much wider philosophical discussion, and even further away from the movie, so I'll just stop here. I'd have this discussion in TNZ, but I got banned from there years ago, and I don't actually remember why
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My brother and i were talking about the end of the movie, specifically to people reacting ro being dusted. I mentioned how spiderman was flipping out over it and my brother was like yeah he knew it was coming, he's got the spidey sense. I had totally forgotten about that. I'm sure I'm the only one who didn't make that connection but it was kind of like a woah moment for me lol
That's a great observation and I can't believe I missed it. That makes his reaction all the more poignant.
Ah, that's right. Thanks for the correction.
Then Steve Rogers' criticism about Stark never being the one to make the sacrifice move (The Avengers) still holds true in the present day, which means he's learned nothing since becoming Iron Man. "Not asking for this" becomes self-protective BS the second someone decides he's going to make decisions / take actions on behalf of others, which is what a superhero does. For that reason, Stark should finally be pressed into learning what "signing up" means by being the one to die. For once, he would not think he's going to tech/trick his way out of a situation, and face a threat, knowing he has no chance. That would finally add some drama to the entire Infinity War story, and serve as a strong bookend to 10 years of MCU films with the end of the character who launched the series--and finally learning what sacrifice of self means.
I feel Tony's sacrifice would be most poignant, since one of his issues has been his narcissism going all the way back, and while like Thor and Steve would totally be willing to die, Tony has always sort of had more trouble with that, and his death would be most satisfying in a tragic way. I disagree with Thor passing, I'd be saddest for him, since he's lost so much his people need him to help rebuild, and I feel he's just sort of finally embracing his role as king, right? I'd rather see Steve retire than die, but I'm sure we'll be in for plenty of surprises.
I can understand feeling Thanos might believe he's right, but that's not the same as me thinking he's right. He's not right, his actions are abhorrently evil, I feel we might be confusing his nuance for possible altruism? It's so wonderfully refreshing our villain isn't motivated by simple greed or evil for his own sake, but he's doing what he really believes is best for the galaxy, he's just totally wrong and misguided. We can totally sympathize with his idea to want to save the galaxy, we just can't morally agree with his actions like at all.
I can understand feeling Thanos might believe he's right, but that's not the same as me thinking he's right. He's not right, his actions are abhorrently evil, I feel we might be confusing his nuance for possible altruism? It's so wonderfully refreshing our villain isn't motivated by simple greed or evil for his own sake, but he's doing what he really believes is best for the galaxy, he's just totally wrong and misguided. We can totally sympathize with his idea to want to save the galaxy, we just can't morally agree with his actions like at all.
lol oh dear so terribly wrong, isn't it your duty to stop that from happening? Haven't you heard of like "Never Again?". I mean, you know people might want to commit horrible crimes, but that doesn't mean you just accept it and allow it and agree with it, right?
Yeah, he never faced almost certain death when he took that nuke into the hole in space. No self-sacrifice there, not for a second.
Stark’s death seems like the only way for his story to end.
What else is there? Retiring from superheroics to focus on his family? He’s done that before, but it didn’t stick. The next time there’s a crisis and Iron Man is needed, he’ll be there. He can’t not. It’s who he is. He’s Iron Man until he dies.
What else is there? Retiring from superheroics to focus on his family? He’s done that before, but it didn’t stick. The next time there’s a crisis and Iron Man is needed, he’ll be there. He can’t not. It’s who he is. He’s Iron Man until he dies.
You must hate Dr Who, been around 50 years and he's never truly died yet.
Turn Left.
Undone by the end of the episode.
Heaven Sent.
Each death followed immediately by resurrection, doubt it would meet @Anwar's definition of “truly died.”
There were plenty of situations where the Doctor was willing to sacrifice his life over sacrificing his principles.
Parting of the ways comes to mind.
What saved the day was out of his control.
Parting of the ways comes to mind.
What saved the day was out of his control.
More of a pornstache than JJJ's Hitlerstache.