Spoilers Avengers: Infinity War grade and discussion thread
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Except everything Feige said is what Pascal said, only more recently: That the events of the two Avengers films will inform the direction of the Homecoming sequel.
I believe it’s the start of Phase 4.
Spider-Man's next movie is the best meta argument for them resetting the timeline to the moment of the snap. Things just get too messy in-universe if half the population suddenly returns after a year. There's no normalcy for him to try to maintain in tandem with his superheroics; which is much of the charm of him as a concept.
Besides, there's no reason for intelligence to constitute a justification for survival or right to determine who deserves to survive. That is simply a conceit which prefers intelligence, nothing more. It is funny how folks come up with ways to judge superiority or general worthiness for one group to survive over another that they seldom envision themselves among the losers to be culled.
Absolutely, if intelligence becomes a criteria for judging the value of a life we're only a shade away from transferring that thinking from inter to intra species thinking. Then we start moving again down the rabbit hole of eugenics, of taking learning disabilities as being justification for involuntary euthenasia or genetic engineering.
And as you can see, all that was already attempted by humans. Will probably be attempted again one day.
Which is exactly why we should learnt the lessons of history and not so casually endorse such a course of action, even when dealing in terms of fiction.
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We can't stop the cycles of history. The best thing to do for our own mental health is to be passive observers, casually giggling as the world alternates between going to hell, and temporarily recovering.
Barring that, if you believe that fiction will help lead to the rise of the next Hitler, your problem should be with content creators, not people's reactions to the content.
Gwyneth Paltrow may have accidentally dropped a major spoiler in a recent interview:
From Twitter: "Pepper and Tony have had a really long journey together. She obviously starts as his dutiful assistant, and then the relationship evolves, and now this decade later they're married, and they have a child. Their relationship has evolved in all of the ways that great romances evolve.
So, appereantly James Gunn knows what the last line of Groot was from Infinity War.....
(all of the 'I am Groot' lines mean something in English, Vin Diesel always knows what is being said)
https://twitter.com/jamesgunn/status/993265674616221696
(all of the 'I am Groot' lines mean something in English, Vin Diesel always knows what is being said)
https://twitter.com/jamesgunn/status/993265674616221696
Yeah, so it would seem! Hell of a wrinkle.
Yup, I mentioned that a few pages back.
Took 3 times clearing cookies until I was spared. Shees Thanos is tough (what? no one else cheated?)
I kinda wonder if little discrepancies like this are going to be a way for Marvel to mildly hold the movies that they make for Sony at arm's length if the deal ever goes sour.
Although, my thinking at the time was that adding time between The Avengers & Spider-Man: Homecoming was their way of compensating for the compressed timeline between Iron Man & The Avengers. IRL, there was a 4 year gap between Iron Man & The Avengers. In-universe, it's probably less than 2 years. Iron Man 2 established that the Stark Expo began about 6 months after Tony Stark revealed his secret identity at the end of Iron Man. Iron Man 2 also showed Coulson leaving for New Mexico, which immediately lead into the events of Thor. Then, in The Avengers, Nick Fury referred to the events of Thor "a year ago."
While Tony Stark no longer freezes up and has panic attacks like he did in Iron Man 3, I think he's still only barely keeping it together. He's just expressing it differently. While he's too much of a control freak to just walk away entirely, we've already seen a couple attempts by him to abdicate the responsibility for protecting the world, first by creating Ultron and then by putting the U.N. in charge with the Sokovia Accords.
I'm not sure I could handle that. Captain America & Thor are soldiers. Dying on some nameless hill to save the world is what they signed up for. Tony never asked for any of this. He was cursed with genius, which lead to him creating as many problems as he fixed. I really hope that Tony is able to find some peace, even though I'm not sure he's psychologically capable of that. And Pepper deserves better than for Tony to die through writer fiat.
I will say the one thing that, to me, would justify killing off Tony Stark is if it turns out that Pepper is one of the ones who died in the Snap. After all of his near-brushes with death, dying to save the world feels pointless & hollow. Dying to save Pepper would be making the best out of the crappy hand that fate has dealt him.
As far as the other characters who may live or die in the next movie, I figure Cap is a goner because Bucky redeeming himself by taking on the mantle is what needs to happen next. And I think Thor is going to die because they've spent the last few movies gradually stripping away everything that he has to live for. I'm flipping a coin on Bruce Banner. I get the sense that Marvel may have run out of ideas for him.
The best thing to do is sit back and laugh at genocide?
Don't you have fifty threads to derail with pointless negativity about ratings and box office totals? That's annoying but at least it's not like your genocidal apologist Diet Hitler ravings here.
I apologize for nobody. I just think it's best to accept that there is nothing you can really do about... anything. The next Hitler will come, whether you theoretically liked Thanos or not.
I thought Richmond Valentine's plans for genocide seemed similar to Thanos'. I just remembered that another character also had similar plans - Bertrand Zobrist from "INFERNO".
Hasn't it been verified that Valkyrie and some of the Asgardians on that ship are still alive?
Hasn't it been verified that Valkyrie and some of the Asgardians on that ship are still alive?
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Neither of us could cope with Rogers' beard. I get he and Black Widow are disguised, but he looks stupid. So disaponted he didn't have a shave in wakanda, and ideally son his proper uniform and have his proper shield.
I'm obviously biased with my own beard, but I was thrilled he kept the beard for the whole film. I'm so very tired of the trope where the hero shaves his beard after coming out of exile so I found it very refreshing that he didn't even consider shaving it off. I thought he looked great with it!
However, the mustache that Chris Evans has right now (for another film, don't know which one) looks horrific.