Point taken. But David Bowie as Star Lord.... Mmmm.
Spoilers Avengers: Endgame grade and discussion thread
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If the Kree stayed at the top of her agenda across the 20 years, sure. But I see no particular reason to assume that. It's a big universe, and there could be all sorts of other space threats out there.
Plus, it's the Kree *Empire*. Presumably, they're doing lots of different stuff across the stars at at any given time. Even if Carol is still making them her top priority, she could have her hands full on the other side of known space or whatever during the events of GotG.
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Probably because Captain EO is the prototype for the MCU version of Star-Lord.
The follow-up film to Infinity War, in the Marvel Cinematic Universe storyline. A complicated film. So, where to begin? At the beginning, where Hawkeye is teaching his daughter how to use a bow. His anguish as Thanos' Snap takes place is very well realised. The film proper picks up three weeks after the Snap, with Danvers rescuing Stark and Nebula from being stranded in space and bringing them back to Earth. The ensuing scenes as they try to track down Thanos to undo the Snap, were done very well.
However, there is failure there also. Not saying how, but that was written very well, with all the characters acting as you would expect them to. Then there is another (much longer) time jump, during which the various Avengers go their separate ways. Then Scott Lang emerges from the Quantum Realm (continuing from the Ant-Man and the Wasp mid credit scene), and suggests a solution to the Avengers. A method of time travel. The way they go about this (and brainstorm), in planning to retrieve the infinity stones was depicted in a very good way.
2012. Retrieving the Mind, Time and Space Stones during the Battle of New York. Mind, Captain America retrieves the Mind stone by pretending to be a HYDRA agent. The improvisation there was well depicted. However, Time. The discussion between Banner and the Ancient One was one of the best parts of the film, and sets up a scene later on in the film. (More on that below.) Space. Failure. The 2012 version of Loki escapes with the Tesseract, instead of going to Asgard. (That would be an interesting alternate timeline).
1970. The Tesseract and additional Pym Particles from the SHIELD base in New Jersey. The scene between Tony and his father was rather good, and helps resolve his character. (Especially given what happens, See below.) 2013. Retrieving the Reality Stone from Asgard. This part was good also, especially the scenes between Thor and Frigga. 2014. Retrieving the Soul and Power stones. The scenes on Vormir were rather moving, especially given what happens to Black Widow (and some well depicted anguish on Hawkeye's part.
Power. The past version of Thanos gets involved, leading to the final battle sequence. A bit surprising how this happened, but it was a great twist. Hulk Un-Snap! Then those who came back helping defeat Past!Thanos, that was rather good! However, the final Snap (with Stark!) is very moving and a great call back to his first film. The ending with Captain America after he returns the Infinity Stones to their realities was a bit confusing though. 9.25/10.
However, there is failure there also. Not saying how, but that was written very well, with all the characters acting as you would expect them to. Then there is another (much longer) time jump, during which the various Avengers go their separate ways. Then Scott Lang emerges from the Quantum Realm (continuing from the Ant-Man and the Wasp mid credit scene), and suggests a solution to the Avengers. A method of time travel. The way they go about this (and brainstorm), in planning to retrieve the infinity stones was depicted in a very good way.
2012. Retrieving the Mind, Time and Space Stones during the Battle of New York. Mind, Captain America retrieves the Mind stone by pretending to be a HYDRA agent. The improvisation there was well depicted. However, Time. The discussion between Banner and the Ancient One was one of the best parts of the film, and sets up a scene later on in the film. (More on that below.) Space. Failure. The 2012 version of Loki escapes with the Tesseract, instead of going to Asgard. (That would be an interesting alternate timeline).
1970. The Tesseract and additional Pym Particles from the SHIELD base in New Jersey. The scene between Tony and his father was rather good, and helps resolve his character. (Especially given what happens, See below.) 2013. Retrieving the Reality Stone from Asgard. This part was good also, especially the scenes between Thor and Frigga. 2014. Retrieving the Soul and Power stones. The scenes on Vormir were rather moving, especially given what happens to Black Widow (and some well depicted anguish on Hawkeye's part.
Power. The past version of Thanos gets involved, leading to the final battle sequence. A bit surprising how this happened, but it was a great twist. Hulk Un-Snap! Then those who came back helping defeat Past!Thanos, that was rather good! However, the final Snap (with Stark!) is very moving and a great call back to his first film. The ending with Captain America after he returns the Infinity Stones to their realities was a bit confusing though. 9.25/10.
Someone has to go inside the soul Stone to get her.
A soul stone that Steve deposited into a different reality.
A soul stone that Steve deposited into a different reality.
That's not true - please watch IW again (just 10 minutes in was the clue). Tony and Pepper were together and engaged to be married by then (by the end of Homecoming). So, there's no making up necessary. Maybe get your facts straight before ranting.
And about Howard... again, Howard doesn't apologize to a total stranger. They were talking about having (and about to be having) kids and the emotions and fears that come with it. That Tony took comfort from it - where's the evil thing in that?
And Tony's 2 deathscenes: Hm... first of all, that Tony'd die was not really surprising (RDJ's contract ending, Tony's arc coming to an end)... but did anyone actually believe he'd die within the first 5 minutes of the movie?!? Especially since in the trailer he was shown to be back on Earth hugging Pepper? Sorry to burst your 2 serious death-scenes bubble... That a characters may think himself in serious trouble doesn't change that fact. Me thinks there's a bit of anger over RDJ's role in the MCU in general (and salary which you didn't forget to point out)...
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Let's hope not (and I don't think that ScarJo wants to do this character anymore, aside from being in the upcoming prequel origin movie about how the Black Widow came to be.)
I want to find out what happened to Natasha and Clint in Budapest.
Wow just saw Avengers End Game fantastic film with only 1 flaw.. Brie Larson.... hello charm/charisma/personality think she missed the memo. Groot despite being actual wood and only having the ability to say 3 words "I am Groot" has more charm/charisma and personality than Larson whose face and eyes look like someone who is eternally angry at something or someone. Thankfully she only plays a very small part
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question for those that saw Captain Marvel is Brie's performance as wooden and her character as hollow and unrelatable as her small part in Endgame ?.
Or because its a solo movie and she has more screen time do we saw more to her character ?
if I go off Endgame there's no way I could sit through a whole movie of her.
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question for those that saw Captain Marvel is Brie's performance as wooden and her character as hollow and unrelatable as her small part in Endgame ?.
Or because its a solo movie and she has more screen time do we saw more to her character ?
if I go off Endgame there's no way I could sit through a whole movie of her.
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Shhh... be careful. No one is supposed to say anything negative about Brie Larson...
Do wish we got more of Groot, he did get one line, but definitely can't wait for GotGv3 (or AotGv1 as it's also known
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..dance-walking across Korath to "Dance Magic Dance" instead of Come and Get Your Love
Do you mean dance walking across Morag? Though seeing him dance on Korath would be amusing...dance-walking across Korath to "Dance Magic Dance" instead of Come and Get Your Love
Posting late here but I thought Endgame was great and an epic, worthy conclusion for the first 10 years of the MCU.
^ I like this explanation in part, and if he stuck to the alternate timeline "winking out" once the stone is returned I'd be fine.
The trouble is where it keeps going and "self-corrects." In this case, Thanos would do the Snap in that alternate. What would happen in that timeline then? Well, the Avengers would travel to an alternate timeline to borrow some Infinity Stones, and the Steve from that timeline would go to another and live a life with Peggy.
So either there would be a cascade of infinite and identical timelines created, or one timeline that was an identical mirror (we borrowed their stones, they borrowed ours), or there was really only ever one time line.
The trouble is where it keeps going and "self-corrects." In this case, Thanos would do the Snap in that alternate. What would happen in that timeline then? Well, the Avengers would travel to an alternate timeline to borrow some Infinity Stones, and the Steve from that timeline would go to another and live a life with Peggy.
So either there would be a cascade of infinite and identical timelines created, or one timeline that was an identical mirror (we borrowed their stones, they borrowed ours), or there was really only ever one time line.
What with the Stark anger??? Do you enjoy the "let's blame Stark"-game?
The idea of Ultron was caused by what Tony saw in The Avengers: a fleet of ships coming for Earth. This was reenforced by Wanda's implanted vision at the beginning of AoU. May I remind you that Tony *and Bruce* ran tests on a beginner's version of Ultron simultaneously with running tests on the Sceptre - and that was it? That somehow that programme then interacted with the Sceptre, took over Jarvis and became Ultron is in no way Tony's fault. And Sokovia isn't, either - unless it's Wanda's as well. But she's redeemed herself and "is badass"... Do I have to understand that train of thought?
Yes, Tony's always been about accountability, see his first press conference after returning from Afghanistan. What's wrong with that? What's the problem with the fact that he feels guilt over what's been done in his name? Either he's selfish and egocentric, only caring about himself, or he feels guilt and holds himself (and the Avengers) accountable for what they're doing - it can't be both.
I rather find Steve's notion that he knows best, questionable: He puts himself above 117 nations, the UN, and the people he's claiming to protect (in a way that they get no say where the Avengers go, or even whether they're welcome there). And what about damages (Lagos, Bucharest)? Who pays for all the damage Steve/the Avengers wreak? And let's not talk about the equipment: Who pays for it? Who maintains it? If Steve is all alone... hm... should he depend on donors? And be beholden to them?
Again with that strange interpretation of "backing up"... he wasn't backing up Ross. He knew that the Accords were coming, 117 nations (incl the US with Sec of State Ross) don't think up the Accords in a second, those were years in coming. Unlike Steve, Tony knew that it was inevitable and rather than fighting from without, he chose to fight from within, make changes wherever possible.
I think it rather strange that Tony should trust Steve and his hunches... but that goes both ways. Why doesn't Steve trust Tony on the Accords? He didn't from the start (before Vienna). And please don't start with the Wanda-"imprisonment". Granted, Tony should have talked to her, but the break-out, including shoving Vision through the floor, is in no way a justified reaction with that stupid "I can't control their fear, only my own" (hm, what about actually learning to control your powers and temper so that no one has to fear anything???). Cap et al just prove Ross's point here.
If Tony had actually been backing Ross, then he wouldn't have tried to get Steve to agree to a compromise, he wouldn't have worked to stay the kill-on-sight order, he wouldn't have broken into the RAFT, he wouldn't have gone to Siberia once he had proof of Bucky's innocence in the Vienna bombings. Please back up your claims by facts and shed your captain-colored glasses.
Ah yes, so Steve may call for "defensive" (why then does it end up with Wanda dropping cars on Tony? Interesting concept of "defensive") backup, Tony may not. What kind of logic is that?
No one disputes that. (Although Steve was trying to save Bucky, not uncover evidence up until the airport.)
I see where Steve's coming from, I really do: But Steve didn't get the big picture of what was going on in the world/in politics. He may have been right about Bucky (although... interestingly again see above, Tony's supposed to follow Steve on his hunches, as Steve didn't have proof of Bucky's innocence, either... but Steve can't and doesn't trust Tony... okay) - but he was wrong about the way to go about saving Bucky.
Again, Tony offered a legal(!) way out of the situation in Berlin. And Steve was completely in the wrong not to tell Tony about the Winter Soldier killing his parents and then expecting Tony to react in any way rationally (would you with the killer of your parents standing right beside you and a supposed friend lying to you? - and even then, Tony pulled his punches. With the repulsors of his suit he could have easily killed both of them right at the start)... again waxing about trust is a mere joke if it doesn't go both ways. It never has (until Endgame): Tony wasn't called to help in TWS (he's a computer specialist, hacking is his second nature), and that continues on to AoU and CW.
But again, let's agree to disagree.
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That could be his conflict, so it is possible for him to experience both, even though one was driving his behavior, likely.
