But isn't the pad the return "anchor" to get back to the original timeline they left?
If Steve was in an alternate timeline and time travelled to a different future destination he would be travelling to his alternate timeline's future.
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If Steve was in an alternate timeline and time travelled to a different future destination he would be travelling to his alternate timeline's future.
I think she was talking about Steve. Everything had to be set back the way it was. Even when she's senile, she could be remembering the period before he came back to her (which must be after the series). Even Thanos had to be restored without his memories to his own timeline.
They could have brought back Quicksilver, Tony, or anybody else who died pre-snap to the present because that would not be changing the past but not Gamora, Natasha, or Vision, as their fates were inextricably linked to the stones and even then, obviously only if Hulk recovered enough to use the gauntlet a second time.
I was expecting a Flashback with Quicksilver though.
Overall, a decent, if overlong capstone to the Avengers saga, and I thoroughly enjoyed all the special appearances by past and present characters.
The only curiosity: why haven't Spiderman's friends aged 5 years? Presumably every one of them was dusted, but that seems unlikely...
Agent Carter was the main timeline. Steve going back was the alternate.
I wonder if the changes to the timelines and the Paradoxes that are now in place will lead to the Multiverse becoming a thing in the MCU. X Men, F4 etc could all be brought into the MCU via such methods.
Also I assume Loki is alive and well now and his Time Remnant (Yes I'm using that term
) is the one we will see in the upcoming TV Show. Also I presume the Gamora we knew is dead 
and we will see an older version in Guardians 3, which sucks for Peter.
Also I assume Loki is alive and well now and his Time Remnant (Yes I'm using that term
) is the one we will see in the upcoming TV Show. Also I presume the Gamora we knew is dead and we will see an older version in Guardians 3, which sucks for Peter.
It would have been way cleaner (and clearer) if old Steve had appeared on the pad but, he had to have jumped over from a alternate timeline because he brought an intact shield with him.
Simply incredible. What an amazing achievement and conclusion to the cumulation of 21 films over 11 years. Was it super over-the-top fan service? Hell, yes, but it was such sweet, glorious EARNED fan service and I'd do it all over gain!
I loved how the film managed to defy expectations and, unless one followed the behind-the-scene spying spoilers, one probably wouldn't have thought time travel would have played a key role in overcoming the dusting. Even with that hinting, the time traveling didn't play out in such a manner that I expected, instead focusing on plucking out each gemstone from a known time and location as seen in previous films, with the added complication that Thanos in the past gets a wind of their activities and takes advantage of the situation.
As hoped, each of the original six got their own satisfying story arcs, but while I fully expected either Tony or Steve to die, I didn't see Natasha dying, too. I loved the parallelism with Infinity War on Vormir but with the added twist of Clint and Natasha fighting each other for the noble sacrifice, which made it all the more heartbreaking to see her "win" that battle. As hard as it was to take, I greatly appreciate the film's restraint in not allowing Bruce or Tony to bring either her or Gamora back when they did their respective Snaps.
Tony. I should've known this would be how his story would end. As Pepper said, now he can finally rest and worry no longer, if only in the worst way possible. "Proof that Tony Stark has a heart" indeed.
And Steve. I genuinely thought he would be the one to do the Grand Sacrifice at the end, complete with an afterlife stinger showing him and Peggy finally getting that dance. Instead, he returned to the past after returning the stones to their original time and places and he got to have that dance for real...and then returned to the present the long way. While that might feel like a thematic cheat (not unlike with Fry in Futurama), it still works for me because of that dance and because Steve was able to pass the shield to Sam. That said, it was a little weird that he and Bucky didn't have a final scene together after he grew old.
I would never guessed in a million years a fat Thor, but after the shock finally passed, I loved how ridiculous he was in his fallen from grace nature and just how well it actually worked. Even better, we got the surprising return of Rene Russo as Frigga who, as any mother would, helped guide him back onto the right path. And now he's part of the Asgardians of the Galaxy, I mean, the Guardians of the Galaxy? Hell, yeah!
Calm, intelligent Hulk has always been my favorite version of him in the comics, so I'm thrilled we finally got him here at least, even if the CGI was dodgy at times (particularly at the funeral). I loved how in this new state of mind, he became less anxious and more goofy, while still maintaining his Hulkness and Banneress.
Beyond the original six, I didn't expect much in the way of character arcs for anyone else, but I was pleasantly surprised Nebula got one and how important it was. From the goofiness of her and Tony killing time in space to silently commiserating with Rocket to reestablishing a peace with Gamora in the past, I loved how we got to see the softer side of Nebula as she continues her path of recovering from the traumas Thanos inflicted on her whole life. I was briefly worried for her safety while under past Thanos' capture, but I'm thrilled she a core member of the Guardians now. Plus, she gets to say she killed herself and lived to tell the tale. Not many people can say that!
While I knew they would go out in this film with character appearances, I truly did not expect some of the cameos we got. Not just the aforementioned Frigga, but also Sitwell, Rumlow, younger Howard Stark, the Ancient One (in a surprisingly important role), Pepper as Rescue, Alexander Pierce (Robert Redford in a cameo?!), even James D'Arcy reprising Jarvis, (even it was weird to have him alongside John Slattery instead of Dominic Cooper), making him the first original TV character to appear in one of the films!. It's a shame Jane Foster's cameo was a blink and you miss it moment, but at least they managed to squeeze her in. It's also a shame Coulson couldn't be squeezed in some way.
There's still so much to process and talk about, and I'm sure much of it has been discussed already (reading it all now), but these are my initial thoughts. My only real complaint about the whole film is that I wish Carol had a larger role in the film, but at least she got some good hits on Thanos and he genuinely looked frightened by her.
I loved how the film managed to defy expectations and, unless one followed the behind-the-scene spying spoilers, one probably wouldn't have thought time travel would have played a key role in overcoming the dusting. Even with that hinting, the time traveling didn't play out in such a manner that I expected, instead focusing on plucking out each gemstone from a known time and location as seen in previous films, with the added complication that Thanos in the past gets a wind of their activities and takes advantage of the situation.
As hoped, each of the original six got their own satisfying story arcs, but while I fully expected either Tony or Steve to die, I didn't see Natasha dying, too. I loved the parallelism with Infinity War on Vormir but with the added twist of Clint and Natasha fighting each other for the noble sacrifice, which made it all the more heartbreaking to see her "win" that battle. As hard as it was to take, I greatly appreciate the film's restraint in not allowing Bruce or Tony to bring either her or Gamora back when they did their respective Snaps.
Tony. I should've known this would be how his story would end. As Pepper said, now he can finally rest and worry no longer, if only in the worst way possible. "Proof that Tony Stark has a heart" indeed.
And Steve. I genuinely thought he would be the one to do the Grand Sacrifice at the end, complete with an afterlife stinger showing him and Peggy finally getting that dance. Instead, he returned to the past after returning the stones to their original time and places and he got to have that dance for real...and then returned to the present the long way. While that might feel like a thematic cheat (not unlike with Fry in Futurama), it still works for me because of that dance and because Steve was able to pass the shield to Sam. That said, it was a little weird that he and Bucky didn't have a final scene together after he grew old.
I would never guessed in a million years a fat Thor, but after the shock finally passed, I loved how ridiculous he was in his fallen from grace nature and just how well it actually worked. Even better, we got the surprising return of Rene Russo as Frigga who, as any mother would, helped guide him back onto the right path. And now he's part of the Asgardians of the Galaxy, I mean, the Guardians of the Galaxy? Hell, yeah!
Calm, intelligent Hulk has always been my favorite version of him in the comics, so I'm thrilled we finally got him here at least, even if the CGI was dodgy at times (particularly at the funeral). I loved how in this new state of mind, he became less anxious and more goofy, while still maintaining his Hulkness and Banneress.
Beyond the original six, I didn't expect much in the way of character arcs for anyone else, but I was pleasantly surprised Nebula got one and how important it was. From the goofiness of her and Tony killing time in space to silently commiserating with Rocket to reestablishing a peace with Gamora in the past, I loved how we got to see the softer side of Nebula as she continues her path of recovering from the traumas Thanos inflicted on her whole life. I was briefly worried for her safety while under past Thanos' capture, but I'm thrilled she a core member of the Guardians now. Plus, she gets to say she killed herself and lived to tell the tale. Not many people can say that!
While I knew they would go out in this film with character appearances, I truly did not expect some of the cameos we got. Not just the aforementioned Frigga, but also Sitwell, Rumlow, younger Howard Stark, the Ancient One (in a surprisingly important role), Pepper as Rescue, Alexander Pierce (Robert Redford in a cameo?!), even James D'Arcy reprising Jarvis, (even it was weird to have him alongside John Slattery instead of Dominic Cooper), making him the first original TV character to appear in one of the films!. It's a shame Jane Foster's cameo was a blink and you miss it moment, but at least they managed to squeeze her in. It's also a shame Coulson couldn't be squeezed in some way.
There's still so much to process and talk about, and I'm sure much of it has been discussed already (reading it all now), but these are my initial thoughts. My only real complaint about the whole film is that I wish Carol had a larger role in the film, but at least she got some good hits on Thanos and he genuinely looked frightened by her.
Good one I heard: Asgardians of the Galaxy
Just watched it... loved it. The audience was fully involved, laughing, crying, cheering, applause at the end of the movie, applause again by the time RDJ's credit/signature came... that's why I still go to the movies even though home cinema has its perks (for one not turning into a sauna).
It's not a perfect movie (which is why I voted A-), the middle part drags on a bit, too much of drunk Thor (especially in repetitive dialogue with Rocket), too much of Nebula (who, while certainly an interesting character, I haven't seen the GotG, so have no relationship with that character or any of the other GotG ones - which also was a bit of a downside in IW)... the hand-waving creation of alternate timelines (Avengers-AUs anyone?), Captain Marvel single-handedly destroying Thanos's ship (deus ex machina) and that female warrior front... too much.
But there was so much to love - especially that the original Avengers really were front and centre here (with Nebula, Rocket, Ant-Man and Captain Marvel):
* Tony's arc coming to a close: I came late to the Iron Man Movies, actively avoided seeing them actually until a couple of months ago because I was so annoyed by the know-it-all sassiness of Tony in the Avenger-movies (including CW)... Boy, was I wrong. In preparation for Endgame I decided to go through all the Avengers-movies, even IM... and I instantly fell in love with the drama, the character, the internal struggle between genius, character flaws and depression/low self-worth. To me he's the best portrayed and 3-dimensional character in the MCU-verse. Here (and before) RDJ nailed all his scenes, the scenes with Morgan (loved those - Tony did have his sort of happy ending... and it was a nice nod back to the conversation with Yinsen in the cave), the scenes with Steve and that CW wasn't just waved away, meeting Howard (certainly a mellowed confrontation, maybe finally getting that Howard just didn't know what he was doing, and of course Tony himself now had a child which changes the point of view), the reunion with Peter, the sacrifice (and the exchange with Strange prior to that)... have to say I was glad the movie went on for a while after that, time for my tears to dry.
* Steve's arc coming to a close: I think Steve (in the movies, don't know the comics) was always stuck in the past. He woke up in a future where many of his opinions, moral views are out-dated (which is perhaps where the whole CW/accords-thing came from)... and he said it himself, his loyalty was to people - Bucky whom he has saved, and Peggy. His mission's done. And just because someone mentionned Sharon: the kiss happened 7 years ago in movie-verse. Why should anyone still be hung up about it?
* Thor - see above. Beyond all the grief he was rather relegated to being comedic relief. Is he going to join the GotG-cast? That Valkyrie is now Queen of Asgard... don't care. Would love to see more of Loki, though (in an AU-verse).
* Hulk... I liked him, especially the contrast to Avengers 2012-Hulk. He's accepted his dual nature, his arc's done as well.
* Natasha and Clint... don't quite get the scene on Vomir. Wasn't it a point in IW that you have to sacrifice the one thing you love most? Gamora tried to kill herself in IW, and Thanos prevented that in order to actively throw her down the ravine... To me that scene here in Endgame, while a touching moment of friendship and love, felt off in the sense of what was needed in order to get the stone. And the Black Widow-movie will now be a prequel? Hm...
* managed to avoid (most) spoilers - the experience was richer for it. And I was glad that the trailer more or less only included material of the first half hour of the movie. I'm also glad that they didn't just push the reset button, the pain, the drama still happened... making everything just the right kind of bittersweet.
* Often, fanservice is something negative - but here it hit all the right notes in my opinion (drama, one-liners, humour in the middle: there was a sequence where I had tears of laughter running down my face). Arcs were closed without major open questions (well, except for whether Steve saved Bucky earlier). I can certainly live with Steve getting his promised dance, CW was addressed and resolved etc.
I have to say that this certainly marks the provisional end to my involvement with the MCU - unless Bucky's story (my favourite after Tony, BTW, I loved the way he got what Steve was about to do and the good-bye really felt like a good-bye not a cu later) continues. Maybe, I'll watch Spider-Man but I'm just not as invested in Wilson or any of the others (save for Hank Pym: I looooove Michael Douglas, always have since I was old enough to watch Streets of San Francisco).
Anyway, long story short: a fitting and worthy ending to the journey that began in a cave in Afghanistan.
It's not a perfect movie (which is why I voted A-), the middle part drags on a bit, too much of drunk Thor (especially in repetitive dialogue with Rocket), too much of Nebula (who, while certainly an interesting character, I haven't seen the GotG, so have no relationship with that character or any of the other GotG ones - which also was a bit of a downside in IW)... the hand-waving creation of alternate timelines (Avengers-AUs anyone?), Captain Marvel single-handedly destroying Thanos's ship (deus ex machina) and that female warrior front... too much.
But there was so much to love - especially that the original Avengers really were front and centre here (with Nebula, Rocket, Ant-Man and Captain Marvel):
* Tony's arc coming to a close: I came late to the Iron Man Movies, actively avoided seeing them actually until a couple of months ago because I was so annoyed by the know-it-all sassiness of Tony in the Avenger-movies (including CW)... Boy, was I wrong. In preparation for Endgame I decided to go through all the Avengers-movies, even IM... and I instantly fell in love with the drama, the character, the internal struggle between genius, character flaws and depression/low self-worth. To me he's the best portrayed and 3-dimensional character in the MCU-verse. Here (and before) RDJ nailed all his scenes, the scenes with Morgan (loved those - Tony did have his sort of happy ending... and it was a nice nod back to the conversation with Yinsen in the cave), the scenes with Steve and that CW wasn't just waved away, meeting Howard (certainly a mellowed confrontation, maybe finally getting that Howard just didn't know what he was doing, and of course Tony himself now had a child which changes the point of view), the reunion with Peter, the sacrifice (and the exchange with Strange prior to that)... have to say I was glad the movie went on for a while after that, time for my tears to dry.
* Steve's arc coming to a close: I think Steve (in the movies, don't know the comics) was always stuck in the past. He woke up in a future where many of his opinions, moral views are out-dated (which is perhaps where the whole CW/accords-thing came from)... and he said it himself, his loyalty was to people - Bucky whom he has saved, and Peggy. His mission's done. And just because someone mentionned Sharon: the kiss happened 7 years ago in movie-verse. Why should anyone still be hung up about it?
* Thor - see above. Beyond all the grief he was rather relegated to being comedic relief. Is he going to join the GotG-cast? That Valkyrie is now Queen of Asgard... don't care. Would love to see more of Loki, though (in an AU-verse).
* Hulk... I liked him, especially the contrast to Avengers 2012-Hulk. He's accepted his dual nature, his arc's done as well.
* Natasha and Clint... don't quite get the scene on Vomir. Wasn't it a point in IW that you have to sacrifice the one thing you love most? Gamora tried to kill herself in IW, and Thanos prevented that in order to actively throw her down the ravine... To me that scene here in Endgame, while a touching moment of friendship and love, felt off in the sense of what was needed in order to get the stone. And the Black Widow-movie will now be a prequel? Hm...
* managed to avoid (most) spoilers - the experience was richer for it. And I was glad that the trailer more or less only included material of the first half hour of the movie. I'm also glad that they didn't just push the reset button, the pain, the drama still happened... making everything just the right kind of bittersweet.
* Often, fanservice is something negative - but here it hit all the right notes in my opinion (drama, one-liners, humour in the middle: there was a sequence where I had tears of laughter running down my face). Arcs were closed without major open questions (well, except for whether Steve saved Bucky earlier). I can certainly live with Steve getting his promised dance, CW was addressed and resolved etc.
I have to say that this certainly marks the provisional end to my involvement with the MCU - unless Bucky's story (my favourite after Tony, BTW, I loved the way he got what Steve was about to do and the good-bye really felt like a good-bye not a cu later) continues. Maybe, I'll watch Spider-Man but I'm just not as invested in Wilson or any of the others (save for Hank Pym: I looooove Michael Douglas, always have since I was old enough to watch Streets of San Francisco).
Anyway, long story short: a fitting and worthy ending to the journey that began in a cave in Afghanistan.
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I'm very curious about this point, too. I suppose it's possible it takes them five years to search for Fitz, but how does that work for the Earthbound folk. And did no one get dusted? That's a hell of a coincidence (but then no one of the original six Avengers did either so...).
Yeah, I was surprised by the time jump, but also greatly relieved that they didn't just do a hard reset of the timeline. I hope these five-year discrepancies in people's lives are explored further in future films and shows.
Yeah, I thought the same thing and hope that they explore how Scott missed out on another five years of her life, as well as her trauma of thinking she lost her father.
Speaking of which, I thought it was weird that they didn't bring up her mom and stepfather when Scott reunited with her. Surely he would've cared about what happened to them?
Which is partially why I'm disappointed Shuri was dusted, too. She would've ruled in his absence (as she did in the comics). My only guess is Ramonda ruled. Either way, it should be an interesting dynamic for the next film to explore.
My instinct was to say that she fled Earth after the battle (and before Tony's funeral) since she had no means of traveling back in time after Sanctuary II was destroyed. That means that her relationship with Peter (and the rest of the Guardians) is vastly different from the last two solo films, which sets up a dynamic that's not unfamiliar to yet another Farscape, even if accidentally (without going into spoilers for the show, John and Aeryn's relationship went through a couple of weird resets not unlike this one).
Yeaaah...the more we look into this time jump and no follow up reset, the messier things gets with the following films. I thought about that when Peter returned to school. I guess as along as Ned, MJ, and Flash were all dusted, that's all that matters. We don't really care about the rest (sorry, high school anchor, Liz Allen).
That would be very cool to see for both of those characters. I believe I saw awhile back that Feige hinted at Kamala Khan coming into play sooner tha later.
I thought the same thing and I think I've even read something official/unofficial about that somewhere, or it might have just been fan speculation. Perhaps the Hawkeye series will be some kind of set-up for that?
Heh, yeah. In a certain way, the Netflix shows kind of lucked out there by dodging that bullet.
Or maybe that's why all of them were canceled in the first place?
(Yeah, I know it wasn't)
I was so confused about who he was and I couldn't figure it out until I looked it up on Wikipedia. A real duh moment for me.
Yeah, that's a shame. Maybe she'll turn up in the rumored Valkyrie series?Oh and still no Lady Sif
Really? I missed that. I'll have to keep an eye out for her the next time I watch.
For what it's worth, Wikipedia doesn't list her among the reprising cameos.
I was bummed out when Clint mentioned the red guy that he didn't elaborate about what he looked like and Cap being shocked that Red Skull was still alive. I guess it won't fit with the flow of the scene since they were still mourning Natasha, but it felt like a small missed opportunity.
Still, as you said, it would've been cool to see that awkward moment. Who knows, maybe we'll get a DVD/Blu-ray short where we see Steve returning all of the stone?
I suspect you're right about not seeing the last of the stones, particularly the Soul Stone. I still expect the film will be dealing with the Gamora from the past but perhaps they'll up the weird factor and include both of them? Would be awfully...Farscape-ian of it.
Why not? Aside from Nebula, she doesn't know that group from shit.
Hear, hear! I loved the new haircut, too!
It felt pretty obvious to me on a filming level that they weren't all there. There was something ever so slightly off that stood out to this photographer's eye.
Oh, duh! That's why that felt familiar. A very nice touch.Also loved the sign off signatures at the end, did everyone else think of Star Trek VI?
On the other hand, she was at the world premiere. Still, it did seem weird we got so little of her.
Carol was on the stairs while Maria Hill was in front of the house on the right with Sec. Ross.
I feel kind of the same and agree about the investment ratio. It feels like a natural ending for my personal watching as well BUT a satisfying one. I enjoyed Black Panther a lot, but probably won't pay for the second round. Captain Marvel I can wait for the second instalment sometime on TV too. I know Spider Man holds a special place for many viewers and did for Stan Lee... I respect that but for some reason throughout the several different versions I've never felt it. I don't want to support Guardians of the Galaxy for other reasons sometimes you have to be consistent.
Time travel and Endgame, yeah Voyager dabbled in both before. Seems to be the go to inspiration of a few productions right now. On trend.
I'm going to admit disappointment. It felt like all the dramatic deaths were Han Solo-driven.
"This actor wanted out of the series."
"This actor wanted out of the series."
I think this was the best tribute to the MCU anyone could have hoped for. The entire legacy was featured in this film, from the first Avengers team up in New York to the end with the entire MCU Franchise together fighting Thanos. That final battle sequence was absolutely breath taking, even though I think I lost track of who was who. I have to say that my one wish for the film was for Tony Stark to be the key player in defeating Thanos and that actually happened. Yes it was a massive team up, but this franchise started with Iron Man and it ended with Iron Man and I loved that they brought everything full circle like that. I was worried that Captain Marvel was going to steal the show (Which would have been ok but least impactful) but even she in this movie was great in the roles she was in. It did a spectacular job closing this chapter of films and opening up for where the MCU goes next. It also enhanced Part 1 for me, a movie that I was kind of disappointed in. It may be a 3 hour film, but it hit every beat I was expecting plus some. Also, whlie there were depressing moments, there were also moments of the MCU humor that we are used to that have made these films fun. Basically, Endgame did it's job culminating the last 12 years of this franchise and I exited the theater really impressed.
I was confused by two things though and I was reading the thread but I'm still a little confused
1. What happened to Gamora? The last time we saw her she was kicking Quill around but we don't see her at the funeral and I don't believe she was dusted. How did she escape all the chaos.
2. Doesn't Steve going back to have a relationship with Agent Carter impact the Timeline. Heck, the Orville just did something to that effect, how a choice we make impacts our lives. So Steve goes back to the 70s, has a relationship with Peggy, does this mean he's not captain America? The other Steve is Frozen so this Steve basically doesn't exist and that's how nothing changes?
Overall, this was a great movie. Also, they hit on every movie in this franchise it feels like. Seeing Robert Redford back was quite a surprise. I am surprised we didn't see Agent Caulson though.
Also, I loved they gave the original avengers the Star Trek 6 treatment with the signatures with the theme playing. I actually got a little emotional about that.
Is this my ultimate favorite film in the MCU. It's hard to beat Captain America Winter Soldier or the Original Avengers, but this might be number 3.
I gave this film a genuine 9.
I was confused by two things though and I was reading the thread but I'm still a little confused
1. What happened to Gamora? The last time we saw her she was kicking Quill around but we don't see her at the funeral and I don't believe she was dusted. How did she escape all the chaos.
2. Doesn't Steve going back to have a relationship with Agent Carter impact the Timeline. Heck, the Orville just did something to that effect, how a choice we make impacts our lives. So Steve goes back to the 70s, has a relationship with Peggy, does this mean he's not captain America? The other Steve is Frozen so this Steve basically doesn't exist and that's how nothing changes?
Overall, this was a great movie. Also, they hit on every movie in this franchise it feels like. Seeing Robert Redford back was quite a surprise. I am surprised we didn't see Agent Caulson though.
Also, I loved they gave the original avengers the Star Trek 6 treatment with the signatures with the theme playing. I actually got a little emotional about that.
Is this my ultimate favorite film in the MCU. It's hard to beat Captain America Winter Soldier or the Original Avengers, but this might be number 3.
I gave this film a genuine 9.
I so agree with this. And I also liked that in the end it was Pepper and Rhodey (and Peter) with Tony, also fitting and full circle.
And tomorrow, I'll watch Iron Man again.
I have no idea where Gamora went.
As to Steve. I doubt he was in the 70s. That was a 1940s style car drive by before we see them dancing in the house.
I think Steve then lived his life in hiding under a different name and avoided trying to alter history. If you ever watched the movie The Final Countdown from the early 80s about an aircraft carrier going back to the day before Pearl Harbor there is a similar situation of a character from 1980 being left in the past.
Didn't the title card say it was 1970 or was I misremembering?
Only when Steve and Tony visited. No title card for the final scene.
Yeah I’m pretty sure that Old Steve always went back and we only learned that now. He arrives at some point post Agent Carter and he’s that husband we never saw. Being the head of SHIELD she'd be able to craft any identity she wanted for him. Peggy was mentioned as being very secretive about her life. Steve probably met Bucky at some point since he’s the one who brings Sam to him, showing that he knew.
Ok. I don't know how I got 1970, but maybe I confused the two scenes. The last scene did feel more classic, especially since they used a big band type song when the credits started.
Maybe Daniel would've been killed by Hydra in season 3. It's not like there were avoiding knocking people off in that show. Maybe Peggy dumped him because he clipped his toenails in bed. Maybe they're a thruple (or as co-husband "Roger Stevens" calls it, a "fondue"). Anything is possible in the wonderful world of "They canceled the show so no one's ever going to give us anything definitive."
My first take on it was that it was turtles all the way down, so to speak, and the old Steve we saw was from the next universe "above" our own, so the mainline MCU is already an alternate timeline that, I expect, is only subtly different, if at all, from the one Old!Steve came from (since it'd be split off from his because of his final trip back to ~1950 where he did nothing but secretly find Peggy, since it seems from the "rules" presented that every trip to the past creates a new alternate timeline). Of the ones we saw, I'm sure we'll get plenty more on the one where Loki escaped with the Tesseract, the Ancient One had a chat with Bruce Banner, and several Hydra cells developed the misapprehension that Captain America was on their side, but I'm really curious about what happens where Thanos and his entire army disappeared down a wormhole and never returned a couple minutes into "Guardians of the Galaxy." It seems like it must be a pretty pleasant, low-key place.
I think Bucky just noticed the old guy loitering around their time machine and put two and two together.