Spoilers Avatar: The Way of Water (2022) - Full Spoiler & Review Thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Kai "the spy", Dec 16, 2022.

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How would you rate this movie?

  1. 10 out of 10 - Mighty.

    11 vote(s)
    23.9%
  2. 9 out of 10 - This movie connects all things. Before your birth, and after your death.

    11 vote(s)
    23.9%
  3. 8 out of 10 - Strong Heart.

    13 vote(s)
    28.3%
  4. 7 out of 10 - Wherever we go, this movie is our fortress.

    4 vote(s)
    8.7%
  5. 6 out of 10 - This is where we make our stand.

    2 vote(s)
    4.3%
  6. 5 out of 10 - That's all you take, you just waste the rest?

    1 vote(s)
    2.2%
  7. 4 out of 10 - I took you under my wing. You betrayed me.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. 3 out of 10 - Outcast. That's all I see.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. 2 out of 10 - That's why I drink.

    1 vote(s)
    2.2%
  10. 1 out of 10 - I cannot allow you to bring your movie here.

    3 vote(s)
    6.5%
  1. Sehlat Vie

    Sehlat Vie Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    They offered vouchers, but the theater has really gone to seed. I used to go there a lot in pre pandemic days, and they used to have a lot of technical snafus like this. If and when I decide to return to theaters, I think I'll go to a better one. I only went to that one because it was the closest one with an IMAX auditorium.
     
  2. JD

    JD Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Oh thanks, I guess I missed that line.
    To go back to the way the humans on Pandora are acting, I thought of a perfect modern example, elephants. They're incredibly intelligent animals, but are still killed on a regular basis for their ivory.
     
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  3. Aragorn

    Aragorn Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Like the movie, don't love the movie. Same with the first Avatar. As a spectacle it's incredible to watch. As far as plot and character, it's perfectly acceptable, nothing special. The kids had the most interesting stuff to do. Sully was a generic character well-suited for a generic actor. Zoe Saldana got the short end of the stick. At least Stephen Lang got to chew a little scenery.

    Also, the live-actor parts were like watching a flatscreen TV out of the box with the soap opera effect still on.
     
  4. YellowSubmarine

    YellowSubmarine Vice Admiral Admiral

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    The bigger hurdle would be bringing the people from one planet to another. Transporting everyone might be harder than terraforming, especially if they indeed stopped mining the superconductor (as opposed to paused) and moved into a new thing to extract. I suspect that's not an issue, because they would be moving only special people, but that just goes to show the general has been misunderstood as to the scope and extend of the new operation.

    Also we shouldn't limit the story possibilities with assumptions about terraforming that might not hold true in the real world. We can suspect how it would go, but without empirically testing reality we can't be sure. For example, it might be so that removing things from an atmosphere can be prohibitively more expensive than adding desired things to it, exists that scale may exist for the latter. For non-terraforming levels of change, that is actually true. If it the difference is even starker, it might be so that terraforming Mars would be easier than Pandora or Earth. Probably not, but a story can do it and still remain realistic enough. (Limiting yourself to only what you know is possible is how your futuristic movies end up not having cellphones in them.)

    Conversely, the possibility that the more wealthy who want to quit Earth are finding Pandora cheaper and easier seems perfectly plausible. I have no questions about that. I'm more surprised they found a second thing to mine, and it's somehow an immortality serum. That such a special gland can appear on an animal born in this particular crazy biosphere and geology, is no surprise, but that it would have any positive effect on human biology is weird, and that the effect would be reversing aging is beyond weird, and too much of a coincidence there.

    By the way, I wonder, can a CO₂ scrubber be useful for extending breathing under water like it did in the movie? Asking for real-world applications.
     
  5. John Clark

    John Clark Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Did something similar with one of the films we went to see (in 2d) - The only other screen until repaired was in 3d so we got to see it that way instead.
     
  6. David cgc

    David cgc Admiral Premium Member

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    Apparently, scrubbers aren’t just a standard part of rebreathers, chemical CO₂ absorption for working underwater predates oxygen tanks by hundreds of years. https://gue.com/blog/too-much-to-absorb-what-you-need-to-know-about-your-scrubber/
     
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  7. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Our theater had a bright elongated T shape across the picture. Many people sneezing a lot, one coughing wildly, all without masks of course, well all except me, but the worst thing was the pair of guys sitting next to me (actually on the seat I booked), who loudly talked and talked all the time, looking at their phones, not even looking at the movie. During the ship sinking scene, I finally had enough and asked them to be quiet, and why they pay for a movie on its pre-opening night if they don't even pay attention at all. You can imagine the response: HELL NO!! FUCK YOU!! MOVE AWAY!!

    That's why the lockdown with no people around was actually kinda nice. :D

    They were actually quieter then, I guess the other guy who didn't scream insults had some influence and understood, and they got up and left before the big climax :D
     
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  8. JD

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    Wow, I guess I've been lucky, I've never had that bad of an experience. This time we were sandwiched between two groups of people on either side of us, and they were all perfectly fine.

    I remember one thing I was a little surprised didn't happen, I was expecting the marine biologist to switch sides before the end. He seemed pretty disgusted by what was happening, so I kept expecting him to turn on the ship's captain and Quaritch, free Spider, and go join the Metkayina,
     
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  9. Lakenheath 72

    Lakenheath 72 Commodore Commodore

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    I saw it a third time today.

    The RDA is still mining for that thing mentioned in the first movie, as mines are briefly mentioned in the debriefing by the general.

    The clan that the Sully family fled to embodied the spirit of the poem "First they came..." (First they came ... - Wikipedia) from decades ago. They knew that the Sky People were hunting tulkun, but this was "far to the south".

    I know that people do not like the middle act, with the exploration of the clan and its environment. I feel differently, as I see this act as laying the groundwork for what comes in the final act. If it was removed, I imagine that people would be asking questions about the whale who came to the aid of the Navi, the ability of Kiri to control the native fauna and flora, etc.
     
  10. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah, I expected the same - perhaps there's a deleted scene where he tries to rebel :shrug:

    I don't even need all that battle stuff or anything with Quaritch at all :D
    In the first one, I also thought the first half was so much better than the second half.
    Just let me immerse myself in the beautiful world, show all the wildlife and how it glows in the dark. There are enough battle scenes in most other movies, and they're kinda always the same.
     
  11. thribs

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    Problem I have with the middle scenes is that it just felt the same as the first movie when they explored their tribe. Just underwater
     
  12. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Well, according to the Wiki,
    There are 20 Billion on Earth. There are Mars Colonies.
    There is Zero chance of moving 20 Billion people off Earth. Pandora is only for Elite and the lucky.
     
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  13. thribs

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    20 billion sounds a lot but there are still quite a few empty spaces on Earth that could fit them. Mongolia for instance.
     
  14. JD

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    I can't remember where, but I did read in an intertview the other day that each movie will focus on a new clan in a new biome of Pandora. We will still see characters from the previous movies though, and we already know the Metkayina will back for #3.
    We did the jungle for 1 and the oceans for 2, so I wonder what #3 will focus on? My first thought is either plains or desert maybe.
     
  15. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Avatar 3: The way of air (floating mountain culture)
    Avatar 4: The way of sand (desert culture)
    Avatar 5: The way of mud (swamp culture)
    Avatar 6 The way of ice (arctic culture)
     
  16. JD

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    Swamps could be fun, but after the jungle and the ocean, I'd rather go for something as far from either of those as possible.
     
  17. thribs

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    We need to see the Fire and Air Tribes next. :)
     
  18. NCC-73515

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    The fire reflections on the Na'vi skin and the water surface looked great
     
  19. MakeshiftPython

    MakeshiftPython Commodore Commodore

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    Doesn't surprise me that Cameron repeated the beats of the original. Both ALIENS and TERMINATOR 2 basically repeat the structure of the original films but with new dynamics added in.

    Unlike with those franchises, Cameron had never done a third film, and my understanding is that he's going to do a lot more new with 3 rather than simply rehash the formula with twists.
     
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  20. Awesome Possum

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    That would be fitting for the world depicted in Avatar. A world where there is a treatment for paralysis but only for the rich and definitely not given away to a wounded marine who fought in a war over dwindling resources on a dying planet.

    The rich and powerful are going to abandon most of the population to die in the mess they created and profited from, then go do it again on Pandora. Anyone else is only there because they’re useful and they need laborers.
     
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