Re: At what point does the Federation decide to stop building Enterpri
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. [/DUDE]
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. [/DUDE]
At what point does the Federation decide to stop building Enterprises?
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Re: At what point does the Federation decide to stop building Enterpri
Don't forget that they were onboard the Enterprise-D for the better part of a decade. They were onboard the Enterprise-E for less than two years. I could see Picard, Riker, Troi, et al not yet seeing their new ship as fully the "Enterprise" in their minds.
Don't forget that they were onboard the Enterprise-D for the better part of a decade. They were onboard the Enterprise-E for less than two years. I could see Picard, Riker, Troi, et al not yet seeing their new ship as fully the "Enterprise" in their minds.
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And the second use of "-E" in the dialogue is very specific, and befits the in-universe logic and the needs of drama: there's heavy emphasis on "yet another of the many Enterprises" being lost. So there's only one instance of "-E" in the movie that really warrants attention.
Star Trek Rationalization #8472: when LaForge argues the "-E" is the most advanced ship in the fleet, he specifically considers the fact that the fleet still operates many ships identical to the E-D, and wants to clear all confusion...
Star Trek Rationalization #8473: LaForge wants to make clear that he's not showing undue bias: the mere fact that a ship is named Enterprise is no guarantee of her being particularly advanced - and NCC-1701-E really is advanced in absolute terms on its own merits.
Timo Saloniemi
And the second use of "-E" in the dialogue is very specific, and befits the in-universe logic and the needs of drama: there's heavy emphasis on "yet another of the many Enterprises" being lost. So there's only one instance of "-E" in the movie that really warrants attention.
Star Trek Rationalization #8472: when LaForge argues the "-E" is the most advanced ship in the fleet, he specifically considers the fact that the fleet still operates many ships identical to the E-D, and wants to clear all confusion...
Star Trek Rationalization #8473: LaForge wants to make clear that he's not showing undue bias: the mere fact that a ship is named Enterprise is no guarantee of her being particularly advanced - and NCC-1701-E really is advanced in absolute terms on its own merits.
Timo Saloniemi
Re: At what point does the Federation decide to stop building Enterpri
Or realize it isn't really important to the story at all.
Fans of the franchise are going to recognize that the new Enterprise is the most advanced ship in the fleet. Non-fans aren't really going to care, as long as it does the things Star Trek ships are supposed to do.
Calling it the "Enterprise-E" makes it seem less special than just calling it the Enterprise.
Or realize it isn't really important to the story at all.
Fans of the franchise are going to recognize that the new Enterprise is the most advanced ship in the fleet. Non-fans aren't really going to care, as long as it does the things Star Trek ships are supposed to do.
Calling it the "Enterprise-E" makes it seem less special than just calling it the Enterprise.
Re: At what point does the Federation decide to stop building Enterpri
Before First Contact, the E-E had spent the previous year on a shakedown. They hadn't spent seven years going on adventures yet, they'd spent the last year making sure it wouldn't blow up around them.
Before First Contact, the E-E had spent the previous year on a shakedown. They hadn't spent seven years going on adventures yet, they'd spent the last year making sure it wouldn't blow up around them.
Re: At what point does the Federation decide to stop building Enterpri
Enterprise-Aleph.
And the last one ever will be Enterprise-Aleph-Null.
Enterprise-Aleph.
And the last one ever will be Enterprise-Aleph-Null.
Re: At what point does the Federation decide to stop building Enterpri
If that were true (and at this point, we're going down a rabbit hole of "what if", but I'm game if you are, and that's kind of what this WHOLE conversation is, anyway
) then perhaps the hull code would change if a different "company" (not sure exactly what this word means in the 23rd century and beyond, but hope to find out) built a ship called Enterprise and thus started a new contract. (Maybe the "company" is a shipyard group in the Sol system - so a different "company" would add a new contract if an Enterprise were built at, say, Andor.)
But regardless of that, I think a new hull code might be called for if the Federation and Starfleet ever became part of a new polity - such as what might happen if the Khitomer Accord worlds and the Typhon Pact governments ever joined together to unite the Alpha Quadrant. In which case, I don't see the pattern lasting very long after the -J, if to that. (As others have pointed out, the -J might be from an *alternate* future.)
And I will self-indulgently point out that in my own fanfic Trek future, I decided that Starfleet reserved NCC-170100 for the latest Enterprise when the timing was right, so that would tidy up the issue nicely, too.
IF NCC stands for "Naval Construction Contract" - which is totally fanon but has always been my preference as well - then you've actually pointed up a reason for the use of the added letters: each new (or even just renamed) ship named Enterprise becomes a lettered addendum to an existing contract!
If that were true (and at this point, we're going down a rabbit hole of "what if", but I'm game if you are, and that's kind of what this WHOLE conversation is, anyway
) then perhaps the hull code would change if a different "company" (not sure exactly what this word means in the 23rd century and beyond, but hope to find out) built a ship called Enterprise and thus started a new contract. (Maybe the "company" is a shipyard group in the Sol system - so a different "company" would add a new contract if an Enterprise were built at, say, Andor.)But regardless of that, I think a new hull code might be called for if the Federation and Starfleet ever became part of a new polity - such as what might happen if the Khitomer Accord worlds and the Typhon Pact governments ever joined together to unite the Alpha Quadrant. In which case, I don't see the pattern lasting very long after the -J, if to that. (As others have pointed out, the -J might be from an *alternate* future.)
And I will self-indulgently point out that in my own fanfic Trek future, I decided that Starfleet reserved NCC-170100 for the latest Enterprise when the timing was right, so that would tidy up the issue nicely, too.
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Enterprise-AA. Scotty's favorite ship.
Enterprise-AA. Scotty's favorite ship.
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