Asking for or being asked for ID?

[Mr Awe]

No, problem. In fact, you should be allowed to check for anyone's ID to confirm they are old enough. If they're old enough, no problem. They still get it. If not, you've done your job. It's not even really worth worrying about. No one who is legally allowed to purchase the product would be prevented from doing so.

Mr Awe

 

[MacLeod]

To those people that are ID'd please take it as a compliment. As the cashier is saying I think you look younger that 25 (in the UK at least). Though to be fair it's a lot more common for younger persons to be carrying ID that it was say 5 years ago.

And yes I've heard the arguments for you not wanting me to show your ID.

I showed it to you last night. (Did you? I've served several hundred more customers since then I can't be expected to remember every card I've seen)

He/She (another cashier) served me last night. (So, that was them, I still want to see your ID)

And yes I can ID all members in your party if I want to, after all if I suspect you'll be supplying it to someone who I believe is underage by law I'm obliged to refuse the sale.

And yes your ID has to in date, otherwise it's not considered valid.

And yes, I can ask to physically examine the ID if you have it a wallet/purse etc.. with a clear wallet. For all I know it's a bit of paper designed to look like valid ID.

No your student card is not valid ID


Of course what some people don't realise is that it is actually an offense to even attempt to purchase an age restricted product if you are underage.

 

[ares93]

Of course what some people don't realise is that it is actually an offense to even attempt to purchase an age restricted product if you are underage.

Depends on where you are. In the EU, its the store's problem. Its not illegal to buy if your a underage, but its illegal to sell to someone that is underage.

If they don't check your id and they let you buy. You're not doing anything wrong in the eyes of the law. Morally, you're basically lying to the cashier, but last time I checked that's not illegal. Neither is finding and exploiting loopholes in the law. (Which for the record, I've made into an art form.)

 

[MacLeod]

^I know you said it depends on where you. But you then go onto say in the EU it's the stores problem and that it is not Illegal to buy if you are under age. But as the UK is part of the EU it is most certainly an offense

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/licensing_of_alcohol/

It's in the section Purchase and consumption of Alcohol by Children,

A child under 18 commits an offence under section 149 if he buys, or attempts to buy alcohol, unless that act is committed in the course of him being used for a test purchase operation (Stone's 8-19829ZC).
A person who acts as an agent for a child under 18 by buying, or attempting to buy alcohol on behalf of the child also commits an offence, as does a person who acts as agent for a child under 18 and buys or attempts to buy alcohol for him for consumption on relevant premises.
However, this last offence does not apply if:

• the person purchasing or attempting to purchase the alcohol is over 18
• the child is 16 or 17
• the alcohol is beer, wine or cider
• the purchase is for consumption at a table meal
• the child is accompanied by an adult.

A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction:

• in the case of an offence committed by a child under 18, to a fine not exceeding level 3 (£1,000) on the standard scale.
• In the case of an offence committed by a person acting as an agent for a child under 18, to a fine not exceeding level 5 (£5,000) on the standard scale.

A child also commits an offence under section 150 if he knowingly consumes alcohol on relevant premises, and a person to whom section 150(3) applies commits an offence if he knowingly allows the consumption of alcohol by a child under 18 on relevant premises.
A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction:

• in the case of an offence committed by a child under 18, to a fine not exceeding level 3 (£1,000) on the standard scale.
• In the case of an offence committed by a person who knowingly allows the consumption of alcohol on relevant premises, to a fine not exceeding level 5 (£5,000) on the standard scale.

 

[TorontoTrekker]

Sorry, I have to disagree. We don't live in totalitarian states. There's no requirement for us to carry our identification papers on us at all times.

I know it's not a requirement. It's simple common sense. It shouldn't HAVE to be enforced. Everyone should carry ID simply because it's the prudent thing to do. Think about it. What purpose is served by NOT having an ID? It's easy to get one and to carry it with you. And it has demonstratable benefits.

I mean, forget the buying booze thing. What if you are injured (and/or you are the victim of a crime) and the responders need to contact your family?

I agree. There's no reason not to carry your ID with you at all times. You never know when you might need it for something.

Especially for purchasing things that require ID, chances are you are using money. If you're using money, you probably have your wallet or purse. Why wouldn't you just keep your ID in your wallet or purse?

1. Don't have a driver's license, don't particularly want to get one.

2. Health cards, despite having a photo and birthdate on them, are not acceptable forms of ID here outside of medical facilities.

3. Passports are too awkward to carry around everywhere - not to mention, if you lose it it's a huge pain to replace.

4. Birth certificates are also not valid ID.

Yes, there's some sort of Ontario ID that is acceptable and doesn't fall into any of these categories, and would fit in my wallet, but a) they're a pain to get (a friend of mine had to get one some months ago, and there were multiple hoops to jump through) and b) most places don't actually know what it is and don't accept it. So what's the point?

Anybody who is so lax as to let their ID expire and not renew it, has only themselves to blame, and it's not our fault or our problem.

Or they've been working 10-12 hours a day, sometimes on weekends as well (not that the government offices are open on weekends anyway), and work 90 minutes from the closest government office, and haven't been able to get a day off work since before it expired three months ago.

I'm not blaming you for that - I don't work for you, after all - but not everyone has the wherewithal to be able to take care of these things immediately. Sometimes it takes time to schedule these things.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Anybody who is so lax as to let their ID expire and not renew it, has only themselves to blame, and it's not our fault or our problem.

Or they've been working 10-12 hours a day, sometimes on weekends as well (not that the government offices are open on weekends anyway), and work 90 minutes from the closest government office, and haven't been able to get a day off work since before it expired three months ago.

I'm not blaming you for that - I don't work for you, after all - but not everyone has the wherewithal to be able to take care of these things immediately. Sometimes it takes time to schedule these things.

I don't know what it's like for you, but we get *90 days* to renew our driver's licenses before they expire. I think that's absolutely plenty of time. And we can even do it ONLINE now.

 

[TorontoTrekker]

Anybody who is so lax as to let their ID expire and not renew it, has only themselves to blame, and it's not our fault or our problem.

Or they've been working 10-12 hours a day, sometimes on weekends as well (not that the government offices are open on weekends anyway), and work 90 minutes from the closest government office, and haven't been able to get a day off work since before it expired three months ago.

I'm not blaming you for that - I don't work for you, after all - but not everyone has the wherewithal to be able to take care of these things immediately. Sometimes it takes time to schedule these things.

I don't know what it's like for you, but we get *90 days* to renew our driver's licenses before they expire. I think that's absolutely plenty of time. And we can even do it ONLINE now.

Here, I think you have to get a new photo taken every time. (I could be wrong, mind you. I haven't double-checked that.)

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ In my state, we don't have to get a new photo every time we renew. Just every other time.

 

[ares93]

^I know you said it depends on where you. But you then go onto say in the EU it's the stores problem and that it is not Illegal to buy if you are under age. But as the UK is part of the EU it is most certainly an offense

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/licensing_of_alcohol/

It's in the section Purchase and consumption of Alcohol by Children,

A child under 18 commits an offence under section 149 if he buys, or attempts to buy alcohol, unless that act is committed in the course of him being used for a test purchase operation (Stone's 8-19829ZC).
A person who acts as an agent for a child under 18 by buying, or attempting to buy alcohol on behalf of the child also commits an offence, as does a person who acts as agent for a child under 18 and buys or attempts to buy alcohol for him for consumption on relevant premises.
However, this last offence does not apply if:

• the person purchasing or attempting to purchase the alcohol is over 18
• the child is 16 or 17
• the alcohol is beer, wine or cider
• the purchase is for consumption at a table meal
• the child is accompanied by an adult.

A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction:

• in the case of an offence committed by a child under 18, to a fine not exceeding level 3 (£1,000) on the standard scale.
• In the case of an offence committed by a person acting as an agent for a child under 18, to a fine not exceeding level 5 (£5,000) on the standard scale.

A child also commits an offence under section 150 if he knowingly consumes alcohol on relevant premises, and a person to whom section 150(3) applies commits an offence if he knowingly allows the consumption of alcohol by a child under 18 on relevant premises.
A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction:

• in the case of an offence committed by a child under 18, to a fine not exceeding level 3 (£1,000) on the standard scale.
• In the case of an offence committed by a person who knowingly allows the consumption of alcohol on relevant premises, to a fine not exceeding level 5 (£5,000) on the standard scale.

Britain is the exception that proves the rule, mate. You lot are always trying to be different. Or the law just havent been implemented yet. Took hungary two years to implement the law agaisnt child abuse after they joined the EU.

You know what, lets just say that it the store's problem in the majority of EU countries.

I knew there was a reason God gave you guys an island.

 

[RoJoHen]

I know it's not a requirement. It's simple common sense. It shouldn't HAVE to be enforced. Everyone should carry ID simply because it's the prudent thing to do. Think about it. What purpose is served by NOT having an ID? It's easy to get one and to carry it with you. And it has demonstratable benefits.

I mean, forget the buying booze thing. What if you are injured (and/or you are the victim of a crime) and the responders need to contact your family?

I agree. There's no reason not to carry your ID with you at all times. You never know when you might need it for something.

Especially for purchasing things that require ID, chances are you are using money. If you're using money, you probably have your wallet or purse. Why wouldn't you just keep your ID in your wallet or purse?

1. Don't have a driver's license, don't particularly want to get one.

2. Health cards, despite having a photo and birthdate on them, are not acceptable forms of ID here outside of medical facilities.

3. Passports are too awkward to carry around everywhere - not to mention, if you lose it it's a huge pain to replace.

4. Birth certificates are also not valid ID.

Yes, there's some sort of Ontario ID that is acceptable and doesn't fall into any of these categories, and would fit in my wallet, but a) they're a pain to get (a friend of mine had to get one some months ago, and there were multiple hoops to jump through) and b) most places don't actually know what it is and don't accept it. So what's the point?

Well, that's pretty annoying. A state ID in the US looks identical to a driver's license (in Illinois, the only difference is that the DL has red on it, while the regular ID has green). They're both the size of a credit card and fit just fine in the ID holder in your wallet.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

When I worked a place that sold cigarettes, policy was to card anyone under 27 (even though anyone over 18 can purchase them). It was actually convenient because we had to type in a birthday. If the screen said they were 26, I'd ask for an ID. While someone who is 17 might look 20, it's much less likely they'd look 27 (and less likely they'd say they were that old), so I didn't really have to judge age.

When I was in the UK, I was 20 and the policies at most pubs were to card if I was under 21. However, they would usually just give me a drink and then, 10 minutes later, ask me how old I was. Not only could I lie, but I've already been drinking for a little while. So it kinda defeated the point.

You shouldn't accept an expired ID. If it's expired, it's no longer valid.

It ought to be, so long as the picture still looks like you. But that's a debate for elsewhere.

The reason you can't accept expired licenses is because older brothers will often give their expired ID to their younger sibling. It's to deter underage drinking.

 

[ares93]

The reason you can't accept expired licenses is because older brothers will often give their expired ID to their younger sibling. It's to deter underage drinking.

Oh, please. I drank a helluva lot more before I turned 18. Besides, you don't need id to drink. Me mate has been making moonshine since he was 13. Its bloody useless, if the kinds want to drink, they'll find a way. ID or not.

As for carrying ID. I never have ID on me. I have school ID on me since its mandatory to have it in school. But i leave it in my locker when i go home. Mostly because as long as nobody sees my name, i can pass myself off as a Swedish. The moment they realize i have a foreign name. I'm immediately a criminal. Fun huh?

 

[Thestral]

I absolutely have no issue with cashiers/bartenders asking for ID. No way I'm risking a major fine or jail time so you can get your booze on. Whether or not people should be able to buy alcohol (or cigs) under a certain age is an entirely different discussion. Like Timby said, dram shop laws are not something you wanna mess with.

 

[RoJoHen]

Oh, please. I drank a helluva lot more before I turned 18. Besides, you don't need id to drink. Me mate has been making moonshine since he was 13. Its bloody useless, if the kinds want to drink, they'll find a way. ID or not.

That doesn't mean we should make it easier for them to do it.

 

[ares93]

Oh, please. I drank a helluva lot more before I turned 18. Besides, you don't need id to drink. Me mate has been making moonshine since he was 13. Its bloody useless, if the kinds want to drink, they'll find a way. ID or not.

That doesn't mean we should make it easier for them to do it.

No, but you can spend the money you're wasting on other things, like informing them about the dangers of alcohol.

You'll never actually be able to stop them if they want to drink, you have to stop the from wanting to drink.

 

[doubleohfive]

I get asked for my ID all the time. Bars, and typically when I want to use my credit card to pay for things at some places. And, obviously, at work whenever I have to cross the studio lot, security is always after me to flash my badge.

 

[Pegaritaville]

The only places I get asked for my ID anymore is at airport bars. And even 90-year-olds get carded there.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I get asked all the time. Doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I'm glad that more places are taking the initiative of asking EVERYONE for it--even those who are obviously older than the required age. Since 99% of the time I have my wallet out anyway, it's really not exactly a burden.

Though, I was actually carded at the last year's Saw movie. I admit that was rather embarrassing, especially since I didn't want to be there in the first place.


I am a little ashamed of my fellow posters though. Several days and 76 posts and still no Obi-Wan joke? Tisk, tisk.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

The reason you can't accept expired licenses is because older brothers will often give their expired ID to their younger sibling. It's to deter underage drinking.

Oh, please. I drank a helluva lot more before I turned 18. Besides, you don't need id to drink. Me mate has been making moonshine since he was 13. Its bloody useless, if the kinds want to drink, they'll find a way. ID or not.

I was telling you the purpose, not saying it was absolutely effective. Many bartenders don't check the expiration date anyway, so borrowing a brother or sister's ID is still somewhat common. Doesn't mean that this isn't a smart idea to help somewhat.

 

[MacLeod]

^I know you said it depends on where you. But you then go onto say in the EU it's the stores problem and that it is not Illegal to buy if you are under age. But as the UK is part of the EU it is most certainly an offense

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/licensing_of_alcohol/

It's in the section Purchase and consumption of Alcohol by Children,

A child under 18 commits an offence under section 149 if he buys, or attempts to buy alcohol, unless that act is committed in the course of him being used for a test purchase operation (Stone's 8-19829ZC).
A person who acts as an agent for a child under 18 by buying, or attempting to buy alcohol on behalf of the child also commits an offence, as does a person who acts as agent for a child under 18 and buys or attempts to buy alcohol for him for consumption on relevant premises.
However, this last offence does not apply if:

• the person purchasing or attempting to purchase the alcohol is over 18
• the child is 16 or 17
• the alcohol is beer, wine or cider
• the purchase is for consumption at a table meal
• the child is accompanied by an adult.

A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction:

• in the case of an offence committed by a child under 18, to a fine not exceeding level 3 (£1,000) on the standard scale.
• In the case of an offence committed by a person acting as an agent for a child under 18, to a fine not exceeding level 5 (£5,000) on the standard scale.

A child also commits an offence under section 150 if he knowingly consumes alcohol on relevant premises, and a person to whom section 150(3) applies commits an offence if he knowingly allows the consumption of alcohol by a child under 18 on relevant premises.
A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction:

• in the case of an offence committed by a child under 18, to a fine not exceeding level 3 (£1,000) on the standard scale.
• In the case of an offence committed by a person who knowingly allows the consumption of alcohol on relevant premises, to a fine not exceeding level 5 (£5,000) on the standard scale.

Britain is the exception that proves the rule, mate. You lot are always trying to be different. Or the law just havent been implemented yet. Took hungary two years to implement the law agaisnt child abuse after they joined the EU.

You know what, lets just say that it the store's problem in the majority of EU countries.

I knew there was a reason God gave you guys an island.

Actually I would argue it's the rest of the EU that hasn't caught up with the UK. After all if a person who is underage attempts to purchase an age restricted product doesn't have anything to worry about i.e fine etc... they might be more willing to try it. However if they are looking at a fine it might deter some.

But licensing laws in the EU I believe are left to national governments rather than the EU Parliament to determine what works best for their country.