Yes, but either way it proves my theory that this somehow involves the Pah Wraiths, which are always associated with fire.
Ascendants Discussion (Soul Key Spoilers Alert)
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Or something worse! *cue dramatic music*
Those things aren't supposed to get out!
After the end of TSK?
Are you trying to kill me??
That would drive people mad!! And then the Dominion could come in and... I like the way you think!!
Those things aren't supposed to get out!
That would be a PERFECT way to get past the recent disappointments of the DS9 Relaunch.
After the end of TSK?
Are you trying to kill me??
That would drive people mad!! And then the Dominion could come in and... I like the way you think!!
If they did that, and never filled in the gaps, that would almost certainly be the last of the DS9R I'd read. So far I've absoultely loved the MU and Ascendants stuff, and I would be absoultley furious if they never finished the story line. I don't mind if it is just in flashbacks or something like that, but after 4 (I think) years of build up, I sure as hell want some kind of conculsion.
That would be a PERFECT way to get past the recent disappointments of the DS9 Relaunch.
Like Morn being so talkative, yet doesn't get a word in in the entire series.
That would be a PERFECT way to get past the recent disappointments of the DS9 Relaunch.
Are they? Let's speculate that the Prophets tried to co-exist with the Ascendants and it didn't work so well, leading to a warrior-race hell bent on destroying the Celestial Temple or whatever. They tried again with the Hebitians and may have caused the Cataclysm, leading to the rise of Cardassians. Then they encountered both the Eav'oQ and Bajorans and kind of got the interaction to the level they were happy with.
The Hebitians had (Neo-Hebitians have)their own, distinct gods,though. We know there is some connection between Bajor and the Hebitian faith, but the Fates are clearly a very different type of being from the Wormhole aliens.
I really like that interpretation, but I think the Fates have been presented as too distinct to be wormhole aliens themselves. Perhaps, if the Bajorans did indeed influence Hebitian culture as has been hinted, the Hebitians modified their faith, or the Fates their conduct, to imitate the Bajora/wormhole aliens in some regard?
If they did that, and never filled in the gaps, that would almost certainly be the last of the DS9R I'd read. So far I've absoultely loved the MU and Ascendants stuff, and I would be absoultley furious if they never finished the story line. I don't mind if it is just in flashbacks or something like that, but after 4 (I think) years of build up, I sure as hell want some kind of conculsion.
That would be a PERFECT way to get past the recent disappointments of the DS9 Relaunch.
Same here. The Ascendants story arc is something I am really looking forward too, if it gets skipped and then continuously ignored, I shall be quite annoyed.
That would be a PERFECT way to get past the recent disappointments of the DS9 Relaunch.
Ignoring the smiley and pretending for the sake of argument that you're serious, I couldn't disagree more.
I want the DS9 books to tell DS9 stories, not crossover stories, so I really don't care what year the books are set in, so long as they're telling DS9 stories. Discarding a storyline that's been building for years in order to arbitrarily jump ahead a few years to use DS9 as part of a non-DS9 story, with no intention of filling in the gap... I don't see that as something many people who actually like the DS9 relaunch would want.
^ Steve Roby has expressed my own opinion on this far better than I could have.
I've been looking forward to the Ascendants storyline for years now. I want it to be big and epic and all the other things that the DS9 Relaunch does so well.
And if it does happen to tie into Millennium somehow... well, for me personally, so much the sweeter.
I've been looking forward to the Ascendants storyline for years now. I want it to be big and epic and all the other things that the DS9 Relaunch does so well.
And if it does happen to tie into Millennium somehow... well, for me personally, so much the sweeter.
WARNING WARNING WARNING
GRATUITOUS EAV'OQ JOKE DETECTED
That would be...quite sh'oqing.
^^ ^^^
That's starting to fall together for me too. Tho now that I've finished TSK- what were the Prophets thinking??? Getting all the people in the right places? How about preventing some people from getting into place on the other side?!?
I hope that the Ascendants "conflict with the Dominion" isn't all we're going to get on that end... tho that could bring us up to Destiny-ish, now that I think of it.
There was something else I noticed... but since it occurred to me in the middle of the night, I'll need to let it come back to me...
That's starting to fall together for me too. Tho now that I've finished TSK- what were the Prophets thinking??? Getting all the people in the right places? How about preventing some people from getting into place on the other side?!?
I hope that the Ascendants "conflict with the Dominion" isn't all we're going to get on that end... tho that could bring us up to Destiny-ish, now that I think of it.
There was something else I noticed... but since it occurred to me in the middle of the night, I'll need to let it come back to me...
Maybe the Ascendants killed the Dominion's planet-sized Founder-God.
Ummm... I thought they did?
But that'd be aggression by the Ascendants, not a conflict... until the Dominion reacts, which we haven't seen...
Pretty sure that they did.
Was it left as a question? I thought Olympus Descending pretty much said that they did it.
If it was so certain, then why did the Founders not know this and launch a quadrant-wide campaign to destroy the Ascendants instead of floating away into the infinite to reassess their place in the universe. Odo didn't appear to be that successful in making the Dominion see that Solids can be trusted, and this would have only strengthened the Founders' belief that they can't.
Granted it's been a while since I read WoDS9:OD.
Granted it's been a while since I read WoDS9:OD.
I thought it was pretty clear in Worlds. After all that time and effort to find the Progenitor, when they thought it was dead, they all gave up and left to die out, as penance, since they couldn't reproduce. Odo told them, they were too despondent, and never really cared about their subject worlds other than what they could drain from them anyway.
Does anything the Founders do seem reasonable?
Oh yeah? You pick on us!! We'll breed super soldiers, take over the galaxy and kill/sicken all who oppose us!!
But the Ascendant ship did cause the star to go nova, which is what killed the large Founder... unless their weapon to kill the changeling also caused the star to do that, isn't that an odd way to kill a shapeshifter?
Does anything the Founders do seem reasonable?
Oh yeah? You pick on us!! We'll breed super soldiers, take over the galaxy and kill/sicken all who oppose us!!
But the Ascendant ship did cause the star to go nova, which is what killed the large Founder... unless their weapon to kill the changeling also caused the star to do that, isn't that an odd way to kill a shapeshifter?
I'm a little late to this thread, but I finished The Soul Key last night and I have to respond to a couple of comments...
This is pretty much what I was thinking about last night, although not quite in detail. I definitely believe that the Prophets have had a hand in all four of the cultures' developments and I think what you've outlined here is very sensible. I certainly hope that this is the direction that storyline takes and has absolutely nothing to do with the Pah-Wraiths and most certainly the godawful mess that was the Millennium trilogy.Are they? Let's speculate that the Prophets tried to co-exist with the Ascendants and it didn't work so well, leading to a warrior-race hell bent on destroying the Celestial Temple or whatever. They tried again with the Hebitians and may have caused the Cataclysm, leading to the rise of Cardassians. Then they encountered both the Eav'oQ and Bajorans and kind of got the interaction to the level they were happy with.The Hebitians had (Neo-Hebitians have)their own, distinct gods,though. We know there is some connection between Bajor and the Hebitian faith, but the Fates are clearly a very different type of being from the Wormhole aliens.
I absolutely agree. After reading Thrawn's thread about the five-year jump, I said I could go along with the jump, but after finishing The Soul Key, I'm not sure if I still feel that way. Putting Illiana in an important position with the Ascendants is something I want to see the results with right away and not have to wait for the gaps to be filled in here and there.
That would be a PERFECT way to get past the recent disappointments of the DS9 Relaunch.
Ignoring the smiley and pretending for the sake of argument that you're serious, I couldn't disagree more.
I want the DS9 books to tell DS9 stories, not crossover stories, so I really don't care what year the books are set in, so long as they're telling DS9 stories. Discarding a storyline that's been building for years in order to arbitrarily jump ahead a few years to use DS9 as part of a non-DS9 story, with no intention of filling in the gap... I don't see that as something many people who actually like the DS9 relaunch would want.
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At the earliest, the Ascendants storyline can be dealt with in 2011. And, of course, this is not a sure thing - not even close.
In my opinion, the Ascendants will most likely be treated in an anthology, one covering the entire 5 year gap that recently appeared in the DS9 relaunch. I say that because at the end of "The Soul Key" they are gathered, they have a leader and they have a target - in other words, they are ready for war. No reason to wait 5+ years to fire the first shot - I guess one could be found by the writers, but it would be rather convoluted.
In my opinion, the Ascendants will most likely be treated in an anthology, one covering the entire 5 year gap that recently appeared in the DS9 relaunch. I say that because at the end of "The Soul Key" they are gathered, they have a leader and they have a target - in other words, they are ready for war. No reason to wait 5+ years to fire the first shot - I guess one could be found by the writers, but it would be rather convoluted.
From what I remember about the end of that story, the Ascendants' numbers were very low and time was needed to replenish them.
