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As Fall 2008 closes, scifi TV standing

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okay, 2007-2008 was the "Year of the WGA Strike, the Year That Wasn't"

which directly caused such writers'-room abortions like "Bionic Woman" (sorry to harp on that one so much but it was hyped endlessly as "a major new tentpole show brought to you by the people that made BSG!" and the pilot itself stand and the regular series got worse with each passing episode.

2008-2009 is rapidly shaping up to be the "Year of the Drunken Hangover from the WGA Strike"

(plus, the SAG is threatening to strike, so 2009-2010 might be another Missing Year...)

anyways, the only "surviving" new shows from last year that I thought were any good were Pushing Daises and Terminator

oh, Reaper wasn't that bad, but it didn't grab me and I think its on the cancellation bubble? And unlike some of you, I personally hated "Chuck", and they're resorting to gimmicky guest-stars. Either way, it's "newness" is already fading away, and that's most of what it had going for it.

Otherwise, most shows had a bad season from the WGA strike, mirroring TNG season 2 -- Heroes Season 2 and BSG season 3 were very bad. But while BSG season 4 bounced back to (relatively) what it used to be like, Heroes season 3 is officially "strugglign to recapture the first season"

I think the key was, ironically, that Bryan Fuller left for Pushing Daises, and now that it has met its demise, he will be returning to it.

"Lost" has apparently been getting better in past seasons than the season 2-3 drop, but to be honest I didn't get to watch beyond halfway in the middle of season 1 (I got sidetracked then fell too far behind to catch up quickly)

"Jericho" is now gone, "Lost" is winding down its last 2 seasons, and "BSG" is about to start its final half-season (it is NOT season 5, it was supposed to be the second half of season 4)

"Fringe", which sounded like a crappy X-Files/Lost ripoff of sorts, is actually, while certainly still in the *subgenre* of "FBI agent investigating evil super-science conspiracies", is I must admit actually quite interesting and I enjoy watching it. I haven't "fallen in love with it"; it's not the next instant mega-hit like Heroes or BSG, and while it has rought patches it was generally well executed and I hope they refine it. so at least there's some good news there.

Stargate: Atlantis, has of course, been cancelled to make way for Stargate: 90210 (aka Stargate:Universe)

"Clone Wars" is of course, garbage, with the only actually interesting episodes being those focusing on NON-primary characters (the Clone Troopers episode 5)

Meanwhile, all of the Christmas movies (Star Trek, Harry Potter) got pushed back because of the WGA strike (which affected TV immediately, but we're seeing the afteraffects now in Fall-Christmas) so there isn't too much out this christmas, certainly no franchises, and I'm kind of too old to get into "Twilight", but hey, I'm happy those fans are having a measure of success in what was otherwise a dryspell.

So my *personal* scifi TV list is this:

Old or finished series I wasn't able to watch, which therefore, I can wait until summer to marathon on DVD:


  • Lost (I'm so far behind I'll have to wait until summer)
  • Jericho
  • Pushing Daises seasosn 1 & 2 (I loved season 1 but forgot stuff and I've missed alot of episodes including all of season 2)
  • Death Note (I missed alot of episodes so I want to rewatch all the way from the beginning)

Current or onging series I need to watch relatively soon over Christmas break in order to catch up:


  • Fringe (I missed a few episodes)
  • Heroes season 3 (been too busy to watch)
  • Terminator seasons 1 and 2 (saw the pilot episode, loved it, but was very busy)
  • Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion (very good anime, but missed so many episodes from season 1 I need to marathon to catch up to season 2, which this month began airing on Adult Swim)
Upcomign series in Spring 2009 that I look forward to:


  • Battlestar Galactica: the final 10 episodes, plus "The Plan" Cylon TV movie
  • "Dollhouse" -- if it actually airs
Otherwise, Dollhouse is now infamous for having all sorts of rewrites and production problems, and while the idea sounds cool on paper and Whedon is good at this....yeah....Fox.....so I dunno.

Meanwhile, BSG prequel series "Caprica" sounds godawful, Ron Moore isn't attached beyond the pilot, the trailers look idiotic, and in short, it looks like a Voyager-esque attempt to cash in on the franchise. Scifi was so unsure of what they were getting back from production, that for a long time they kept hemming and hawing about whether to even make it, before realizing *they have nothing else*

Further, I never liked Atlantis; the first season was okay as first seasons go but then utterly failed of its promise in season 2 by putting them in regular contact with Earth then sort of just "mellowing out" for 2 years. Perpetually in the shadow of "older brother" SG-1, only got moderately good in season 4 when attention was focused on it again (remember when this was the "darker" Stargate series? ha!) but it really only got enjoyable in season 5, just as it was about to end. Thus, a respectable run, but not great at all. But even if you liked Atlantis (and I must admit, they at least got a rhythm down in season 5), "Universe" sounds terrible but you know they'll make 7 seasons of it because Skiffy has nothing else.

"Venture Bros season 3" was great, but it will be some time before season 4. I really hope its not the last.

Meanwhile "Avatar: the Last Airbender" just ended.....a great ending, but the show's over now. Nickelodeon said that the franchise was so successful for them, and fan demand is so high, that for once they're really on our side and they want to make another "thing" in the franchise (MMORPG? Sequel series? we dunno and neither do they yet) but at least it's shifting over to the live-action movie adaptation.

At the least, summer 2009 looks WONDERFUL. I'm finally over that "year of the studio-churned-out Threequels" in summer 2007. this summer we've got Terminator 4 (which I'm really starting to look forward to) and another Harry Potter (always a good standby)....and of course....*Star Trek*. If nothing else, Abrams looks like he can at least do a competent job, and he actually knows what I feel: we need the "optimism for the future" that Star Trek brings. and the trailers look like, if nothing else, it will be *new* and not just a tired retread of old ideas like we had in the 1997-2005 era.

Well, either way, next spring ON TV will be domianted by BSG, Lost, and Dollhouse


I seriously think Dollhouse isn't long for this world, and by summer, *Battlestar Galactical will effectively be over for me* and I'll want to move on to something else instead of obsessing over the past (I think BSG was very much a product of the Bush Years in which TV was too afraid to do political commentary; there was something about watching the Pegasus Trilogy in mid-2005 pre-Katrina (when confidence in Bush was finally shattered for the mainstream) that simply cannot be matched rewatching it today by marathoning a DVD.

Sorry to talk so long, but I've been in a fog of work since September and wasn't able to keep up with TV,

Long story short: over Christmas break I need to watch Fringe season 1, Heroes season 3, Terminator seasons 1 and 2, and Code Geass episodes 1-30, and while I'm at it, marathoning all of 30 Rock from the beginning because I've only seen like 5 episodes

I realize I was busy with work, but this whole Fall season felt like it was just "waiting with hushed breath" for something else....possibly because yes, everyone says its just a sophmore slump left over from the WGA strike stunting everything and we're still in "hangover" mode, and of course, that we were all talking about nothing but the Presidential election on TV until just a month ago. That kind of took attention away from things. And at the end of the tunnel, there were no big Christmas releases at the movies.

movies I'm looking forwards to include Coraline (February) which may indeed become the next Nightmare Before Christmas, and, of course, WATCHMEN in March.

May brings us *the return of the X-Men movieverse* (PRAY they don't frak it up like they did X-Men 3) with X-Men Origins: Wolverine, then Star Trek, then Terminator 4, in raipd succession

June brings us Transformers 2 (I hated the first, but maybe with the "exposition" junk out fo the way they can make an actual "Transformers movie")

July brings Harry Potter 6

and in August, can you say "Live Action GI Joe movie?!"

Meanwhile, Adult Swim is expanding to 10 PM but they're getting King of the Hill and the PJs 9which I never liked) and no new scifi anime or anything. some suspect they're simply going to let Code Geass run out then abandon anime altogether in May.
 
Don't forget Sci-Fi has its Ani-Mondays block with Gundam 00 and Gurren lagann. I hate how Adult Swim is airing King of the hill and PJs (I'm a KoTH fan btw) I've seen the episodes elsewhere and more than once I might add. Space based Sci-Fi shows seem to be going extinct all that's left it seems is Stargate Universe and everyone seems to hate it before one episode has even aired! Caprica seems to be set before starships like Galactica were invented (how convenient). How many people would rather see a Farscape spin off instead of Caprica and Stargate Universe?
 
So is this our End of the Year wrap-up on the state of sci fi on TV?

For all its crappy aspects, at least Heroes isn't just another police procedural wrapped in sci fi window-dressing, a very dreary trend I hope will soon die. More power to Bryan Fuller, I hope he turns the show around. Unlike most, it has serious potential.

Lost is definitely the standout in terms of imagination, creativity and scope. I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

Chuck has turned out to be surprisingly clever and creative, but will always be inherently limited by its formula.

Reaper is a silly but enjoyable and surprisingly creative little show.

Jericho
and Pushing Daisies are losses that I will miss.

Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles lost me several episodes back. Just found it impossible to care.

Fringe, Eleventh Hour, Life on Mars, Sanctuary - didn't make it past the first episode.

Knight Rider
- good riddance.

Stargate Atlantis - I'll miss Joe Flanigan and Connor Trinneer...

BSG - I'll watch the final episodes of course but I'm not sad it's ending. My interest has been waning anyway.

Future Series

Dollhouse - It would be prudent for nobody to get too attached to this. Personally, I'm still wondering how this is going to work as a series.

Harper's Island - Not sure if there's a sci fi aspect to this one. Might be stealth sci fi, a la Lost.

Boldly Going Nowhere
- Not sure how soon this will premiere, but I've heard it's a go - space-based comedy by the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia crowd. I expect a raunchier version of Galaxy Quest.

Stargate: Universe
- Unless there's somebody in the cast I absolutely have to see, I doubt I'll get past the premiere for this one. For Stargate to ever be worth watching would require a massive behind-the-camera house-cleaning. They keep changing actors, but the actors are not the problem.

Caprica - Worth seeing for the great cast alone. It will probably struggle in the ratings, even by skiffy standards. Without the kick-ass space marines aspect, a big part of the BSG draw will be gone.

Virtuality - Recently read an article that said it was going to be retooled as "a more mainstream show." Hmm, looks like RDM was getting too radical for Fox's tastes.
 
Of course there is Doctor Who, Torchwood and SJA in the Scifi TV mix as well. We will get no season 5 of Doctor who in 2009, but will get 4 specials, the last of which will have the departure of David Tenant as the Doctor. Torchwood will offer us Season 3 in about a month or so and SJA, while more a childrens show, is winding down its second season, as we will possibly see season 3 next fall (if renewed).

I am wary about Stargate Unverse for the simple matter that it has all the same writers as SJA, possibly leading to the same re-hashed material. There is Caprica, but will it be scifi enough for fans of BSG?
 
Who said Ron would only be involved in Caprica's pilot? He will be exec producer and only stated that he may not be involved as much several years ago as BSG was still running. I have a feeling that he will be co-showrunner with Remi Aubuchon. I'm looking forward to it. Also, season three was not at all affected by the writer's strike and I thought it was rather good, it just suffered from a weak middle.

LOST was great this past season but, again, I disagree that it ever got bad. I think it gets better by season.

Fringe has been thoroughly enjoyable getting better by the episode.

Atlantis sucks and has been going down the drain since season two. I hated to do it since I loved SG1 but I stopped watching as the writing was so piss poor. Since the same writing staff is going over to Universe I'm not at all optimistic.

Otherwise, there isn't much sci-fi that I'm watching. I'm not a Whedon fan so I doubt I'll watch Dollhouse and I don't think Moore and Taylor's Virtuality will be picked up.
 
The good ones

Star Wars - The Clone Wars

Terminator - The Sarah Connor Chronicles

Pushing Daisies (cancelled though)

Red Dwarf (coming back, but for only one - one hour measly episode)
 
The only one I'm interested in watching is Battlestar Galactica and I don't have a problem with that one ending either. Dragging out the last season over two years is a great way to kill interest and momentum. Plus they reached Earth, so it feels like time to wind down anyway.

AMC is interested in having a series adaptation of Kim Stanely Robinson's Red Mars. That'll be something I'd like to see.
 
Don't forget Sci-Fi has its Ani-Mondays block with Gundam 00 and Gurren lagann.

it was a cruel day when Sci-Fi began airing anime at least equal to Adult Swim

sure the first year of Ani-Monday was laughably bad series no one would ever watch....then they turned around and got "Gurren Lagann" and that child-soldiers show. And they replaced it with this year's new Gundam series from Area 11.

Meanwhile, Adult Swim stopped running weeknight anime (seriously, just rerun old series) and just sticks to Code Geass.

I mean remember the Deprivations of September? In rapid succession, one week they removed all anime from Adult Swim except for Code Geass and Moribito at the UTTER DEATH SLOT of 5 -6 *AM* on Sundays, then the next week, canceled Toonami (of course, they'd been stripping away Toonami so much over the years that by that point it was euthanasia)

a month later they finally put Geass back on on a barely watchable time of 2 AM, and Moribito at 1:30, but still.
 
January approaches and sci-fi is in a tizzy. BSG is due soon-I can't wait.
Eureka comes back soon. Woohoo!
Atlantis is ending-and for light-hearted scifi, that means the available products have been cut in half.
Eli Stone(a weird little fantasy) is on the chopping block. Sad, cause Johnny Lee Miller is great most of the time.

Primeval, Torchwood - both still missing. I gnash my teeth as I await.

Caprica is so far away that I just don't care, Jericho is dead(R.I.P.), and Sarah Connor, while awesome at times, isn't getting the love from the viewers and will probably burn.

As for Red Mars-while its green-lighted, I disliked the book so I doubt the adaptation will do much for me.
Dollhouse=joke, Chuck is stupid and Fringe has little "grab". 2009 looks bleak, IMO.
 
There is Caprica, but will it be scifi enough for fans of BSG?
Since it presumably is going to deal more directly with the classic sci-fi issue of "can robots be human?" it might be more sci-fi than BSG, which when ya think about it, is much more concerned with politics, military and interpersonal affairs than sci-fi. But it won't have as much of the sci-fi trappings like spaceships, which could make the difference in viewership. It's not going to look sci-fi, but it will have a lot of sci-fi dialogue, at least that seems like the plan.
AMC is interested in having a series adaptation of Kim Stanely Robinson's Red Mars. That'll be something I'd like to see.

Me too, but as of yet, it's far enough out that I didn't mention it.
 
No love for TRUE BLOOD?

Yeah, pay cable gets expensive, but it's the only new 2008 series I've enjoyed. And I usually don't like all that vampire crap.

Fringe got old fast.

On the cartoon front,
Clone Wars is somewhat enjoyable. Haven't really seen the new BATMAN show.
 
I enjoy BSG but I have almost no interest in Caprica. BSG was action-lite as it was, but it sounds like Caprica is going to be full of soap opera with no action whatsoever.
 
No love for TRUE BLOOD?

TV Guide named it on their list for best shows of 2008. There's a thread in TV/Media forum. In fact, three sci-fi fantasy shows were named--Battlestar Galactica, True Blood, and Supernatural.
 
I'm still trying to figure out why all the hate for space shows. Is it just the expense of the FX?

That and the limited audience. Or perception of the limited audience. But in this case, I think the suits are right: there are plenty of people who see a spaceship or a funny forehead alien and turn the channel, just on principle. It's hard enough to get any show to survive, so nobody wants to take the risk on a genre that has a strike against it right out the gate.
 
What, does Heroes no longer count as Sci-Fi? I know it's messy now, but at least Bryan Fuller is coming back. I also like the concept for Volume 4: Fugitives.

Fringe was starting to come together just as the show hit the mid-season holiday break, unfortunately. Before the last couple of episodes I was about to give up, as it was turning into a 'weird event of the week' kind of show.

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles just ended the first half of the season, and I think the show works a lot better now than it did last year. They seem to be increasing the connections between the show and the films (excluding #3), which is always a good thing. Unfortunately we now have to wait 2 months for the conclusion of the cliffhanger from tonight's episode :scream:.

I still miss Jericho. I have my fingers crossed that we will still get a movie that chronicles (what should be) the Second Civil War. However, I have yet to hear of any legitimate developments in that direction. :(
 
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