i was born in Gloucester. I'm from Chalford, because that's where i've lived these past 31 years. and there's a 12 mile difference there...
article on the books' response to Trek XI
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I don't see your objection. As stated, you don't have to be born somewhere to be from there. If Kirk was born in space, then returned to Iowa two weeks after his birth and spent the next 17 years there before going to the Academy, I say that would constitute being "from Iowa" by any realistic definition.
Besides, what Gillian's "Don't tell me, you're from outer space" was implying was "you're from another planet," i.e. not human. That, rather than the specific location where he popped out of his mother's birth canal, would be the topic she was thinking about when she asked the question. Kirk was countering that no, he was a garden-variety Earth human just like herself, but one who made a career in outer space.
That's not a problem unless the actor in question was a member of the Writers' Guild of America. The strike didn't forbid anyone from changing the script, it just forbade Abrams from doing so because he was a WGA member. Normally, the director of a film can and does make changes to the script on a regular basis, especially if it's a writer-director like Abrams. But the WGA strike ongoing during filming meant that Abrams could only function as a director and not as a writer. He couldn't make any specific changes in the script (and neither could producers Kurtzman, Orci, and Lindelof, since they're WGA members as well). If an actor improvised something and Abrams decided to leave it in, that wouldn't be something written by a WGA member, and therefore wouldn't be a violation of the strike terms.
And of course, as I said, Abrams evidently changed a lot of dialogue in post-production after the strike ended. The fact that there was a strike ongoing during filming didn't mean that the final film had to be kept exactly on-script; it just meant that the WGA members on the film's production team couldn't do any writing during the strike. They were perfectly free to begin rewriting the movie once the strike ended.
Nor would I have expected you to.
Imagine this: The Kelvin was headed home (Earth) when it discovered the 'anomaly' of Nero's ship, or it might have been headed home soon after that.
But while in space, the stress of Nero's attack puts Kirk's mother into premature labour.
So Kirk Prime might have been born in Iowa, Earth, had Nero not attacked.
I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's not exactly a stretch to imagine.
But while in space, the stress of Nero's attack puts Kirk's mother into premature labour.
So Kirk Prime might have been born in Iowa, Earth, had Nero not attacked.
I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's not exactly a stretch to imagine.
I have to go with Christopher on this.
I was born in North Adams, but I'm from Williamstown.
on another issue, I just got Star Trek 101, and again note that it's too bad the timing didn't work out for this. It's pretty good. A very bare bones read with nothing resembling analysis of the show or inside info, but a good laying out of the on-screen story (a good refresher for me in screen canon, after delving into the lit).
One quibble, it seems to build from the premise that the whole story of ST is formidable to digest. Which I think is a stretch.
I was born in North Adams, but I'm from Williamstown.
on another issue, I just got Star Trek 101, and again note that it's too bad the timing didn't work out for this. It's pretty good. A very bare bones read with nothing resembling analysis of the show or inside info, but a good laying out of the on-screen story (a good refresher for me in screen canon, after delving into the lit).
One quibble, it seems to build from the premise that the whole story of ST is formidable to digest. Which I think is a stretch.
That's exactly the explanation Robert Orci has given.
So yes, the movie's "Supreme Court" is going with the assumption that Kirk Prime was born in Iowa. There was a cut line from the screenplay stating that he was born on a farm in the original history. My point is merely that there was no real need to assert that anyway; that hypothetically, if the movie had revealed that Kirk Prime was born on a spaceship, it would still not have contradicted what Kirk said to Gillian in ST IV, since he only said "from Iowa" rather than "born in Iowa." As with so many things, the idea that Kirk (Prime) was born in Iowa is not actually canonical, just a generally accepted belief based on non-canonical sources.
The difference with the new movie is that for the first time the Powers That Be have looked back at all aspects of Star Trek fiction - screened and unscreened - and chosen the bits that they want to use, and sometimes it seems given it all equal validity!