Arrowverse's Crisis on Infinite Earths to be 5-Part Crossover

[Guy Gardener]

Sherloque seemed to have little trouble paying debts on one earth with money earned on another one.

Either there is an inter-dimensional currency exchange, somewhere, or Wells wants some of his wives dragged to prison as counterfeiters.

The secretary of the treasury has to be the same person, signing the notes into legal tender, across 5 worlds, and the historical figures painted on the front have to be from the same histories, the serial numbers can't be waaa-aay off, and the ink, which in itself is a combination to confuse counterfeiters have to be almost exactly the same, and as if any one Rene Adler doesn't come from a cowboy world or a post apocalypse where any one even remembers/knows how to put holograms onto cash, and the magnetic strips!

Sigh.

Remember that time on Sliders, in the pilot maybe, where they try to buy a hot dog with greenbacks, but the accepted currency was redbacks, becuase America was a commie.

 

[JD]

Yeah. I doubt Welling will be in the suit. I think it's safe to assume KC was included in early draft development with Routh already penciled in, knowing he'd be there anyway and he's a bit more age-appropriate.

If you mean the older of the two, that would actually be Welling, not Routh. Tom Welling is 42 and Brandon Routh is 39.

 

[CorporalClegg]

No, I meant Routh over Hoechlin at the time the script was written.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

I don't remember the source, but I recall seeing a quote from Wolfman saying that the only good thing to come out of it was the paycheck.

And of course the intro to a trade paperback would focus on the positive, since you don't want to discourage people from buying the book.

Well, Wolfman has been known to use sarcasm once in a while, so even if you don't misremember that quote, it might still be a misunderstanding. Without the direct quote, not to mention the context, it is impossible to say.

While doing an online search, though, I happened upon this thread on AnimeSuperHero,* where a user was collecting quotes from Wolfman on the matter of shared universe continuity (apparently, he isn't a fan, which I didn't know). Among the quotes from several interviews, there's one touching upon Roy Thomas' dislike for CoIE, and Wolfman's response to it:

AN: CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS: Roy Thomas has called this book a tragic event and unnecessary whatever the critical success of it.

MW: That's Roy's opinion and he's entitled to it. Fortunately, the fans have always supported it. As for whether it was necessary, the answer is yes it was because it got Marvel readers to buy DC Comics for the first time and prior to Crisis they weren't. That each time it's been reprinted it outsells all DC's projections indicate the fan's feelings for it as a real classic. Also, that it was voted in the CBG poll as the 2nd best comics story of the 20th century says what the majority feels. By the way, Roy and I were, are and remain good friends. We can disagree with creative choices but that's okay. I believe every number of years you should clean house and start over again for the new generation of readers.

While he doesn't outright say that he likes the book, he does sound quite proud of it.


*the link to the original interview doesn't work anymore, which is understandable, since the thread is from 2005.

 

[The Realist]

Well, Wolfman has been known to use sarcasm once in a while, so even if you don't misremember that quote, it might still be a misunderstanding. Without the direct quote, not to mention the context, it is impossible to say.

While doing an online search, though, I happened upon this thread on AnimeSuperHero,* where a user was collecting quotes from Wolfman on the matter of shared universe continuity (apparently, he isn't a fan, which I didn't know). Among the quotes from several interviews, there's one touching upon Roy Thomas' dislike for CoIE, and Wolfman's response to it:



While he doesn't outright say that he likes the book, he does sound quite proud of it.


*the link to the original interview doesn't work anymore, which is understandable, since the thread is from 2005.

If it helps, here's a link to an archived copy of the original interview, courtesy of archive.org. Not a lot more about Crisis, but the additional comments are again positive about the story, even defending it against detractors.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Well, Wolfman has been known to use sarcasm once in a while, so even if you don't misremember that quote, it might still be a misunderstanding. Without the direct quote, not to mention the context, it is impossible to say.

While doing an online search, though, I happened upon this thread on AnimeSuperHero,* where a user was collecting quotes from Wolfman on the matter of shared universe continuity (apparently, he isn't a fan, which I didn't know). Among the quotes from several interviews, there's one touching upon Roy Thomas' dislike for CoIE, and Wolfman's response to it:



While he doesn't outright say that he likes the book, he does sound quite proud of it.


*the link to the original interview doesn't work anymore, which is understandable, since the thread is from 2005.

Yes, as I've also recalled, Wolfman was never trashing Crisis on Infinite Earths. He was and remains proud of one of the landmark achievements in comic book history (which DC desperately needed, even as they were on the rise with a few titles in the years before Crisis). The polar opposite of a certain someone's constant attempts to trash it.

 

[Christopher]

While he doesn't outright say that he likes the book, he does sound quite proud of it.

As a sales success and a popular work with fans, sure. Neither of which addresses its merit as an actual story, which is all I'm concerned with. I found CoIE to be an incoherent jumble of a narrative (though perhaps that's because, like Avengers: Endgame, it kind of requires familiarity with the various series and story arcs it ties together), and I want CoIE-Arrowverse to be a more satisfying story. And that means more than just gimmicky cameos or showing fans versions of the scenes they expect. All that's just decoration. What's important is that they tell a good story about the Arrowverse characters.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

As a sales success and a popular work with fans, sure. Neither of which addresses its merit as an actual story, which is all I'm concerned with. I found CoIE to be an incoherent jumble of a narrative ...

To be fair, though, the issue was Wolfman's opinion, not yours.

 

[Christopher]

To be fair, though, the issue was Wolfman's opinion, not yours.

I was using my recollection of his opinion to support my opinion. If I was wrong about it and retract it, my own point still stands. And that point is simply that telling a good story is more important than slavishly copying an earlier story, which really should be axiomatic.

 

[JD]

No, I meant Routh over Hoechlin at the time the script was written.

OK, that makes more sense.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I hope Routh's Superman will be more-or-less (allowing for the differences in the adaptation) the role of the Earth II Superman from the comic.

My recollection is the E-2 Supes' key scenes in COIE were freaking out after the Earths merged and taking out the Anti-Monitor in the final issue. I don't see the former happening (unless it's reversed) and latter needs the gravitas and history that Routh's Superman doesn't have.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Back in my day Sandmen knew how to do their job.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

I was using my recollection of his opinion to support my opinion. If I was wrong about it and retract it, my own point still stands. And that point is simply that telling a good story is more important than slavishly copying an earlier story, which really should be axiomatic.

The issue was over what Wolfman thought. We've known what you think for quite a while, it was whether Wolfman shared your low opinion that was in dispute.

My recollection is the E-2 Supes' key scenes in COIE were freaking out after the Earths merged and taking out the Anti-Monitor in the final issue. I don't see the former happening (unless it's reversed) and latter needs the gravitas and history that Routh's Superman doesn't have.

It's been a while since you read the series, hasn't it? Because E-2 Superman's role was lot bigger than those two moments.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's been a while since you read the series, hasn't it? Because E-2 Superman's role was lot bigger than those two moments.

I read it a few months ago. He was an present through out the story and part of the original group the Monitor brought together (leading the team sent to the Great Disaster), but his role didn't really come to the forefront until the back third of the series. He pops up for a few panels in each issue and has a slightly more prominent role in the issue where they attack the Anti Monitor on Qward as the spokeshero for Earth 2 and member the assault team. The last three issues is where he's really front and center, with the scene with his Lois, the post merged Earth and the final battle.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The issue was over what Wolfman thought. We've known what you think for quite a while, it was whether Wolfman shared your low opinion that was in dispute.

...and it is clear Wolfman never held that opinion from everything posted in this thread. It was the opposite, so...

 

[Christopher]

The issue was over what Wolfman thought. We've known what you think for quite a while, it was whether Wolfman shared your low opinion that was in dispute.

And I already said I have no problem with retracting that claim, so that should be the end of it.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Touchy.

 

[bionicbob]

There is a recent interview with Marv Wolfman on the BETWEEN THE PANELS podcast, in which he is asked about COIE...
--he sounded very proud of the project but it originally started as a DC History project but evolved because of the confusing continuity that he was not a big fan of...
--his only expressed frustration with the project he seemed to have was the ending was changed because senior editorial became nervous that they did not have enough creative people to relaunch the entire DC Universe over from Day One. Thus why some titles were rebooted from scratch (like Superman and WW), while others continued on (Batman, Green Lantern) like nothing happened. And why some characters seem to remember Crisis while others did not.

So in the end, in the their attempt to clean up their continuity, they replaced it with a new confusing one.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

There is a recent interview with Marv Wolfman on the BETWEEN THE PANELS podcast, in which he is asked about COIE...
--he sounded very proud of the project but it originally started as a DC History project but evolved because of the confusing continuity that he was not a big fan of....

This supports all other recollections of Wolfman's opinion--and it was not negative, no matter how much someone wanted that to be the case.

 

[Samurai8472]