Spoilers Arrow Season 7

[dahj]

I love a happy ending as much as the next person, but I also wouldn't mind an Arrow Beyond spin-off with Mia, William, Zoe and Connor set in this future. And if it does turn out to be the "real" future I don't think Oliver's fight was in vain just because things got bad again later on, he saved the city (and the world) many times over, and inspired others to pick up and continue the good fight.

Regarding the "Monitor Deal", I mentioned this last week but Oliver in the present isn't acting like he doesn't expect to be in William's and Mia's future. So whatever the deal was, I don't think he knows he'll die, if he'll even die, that is.

 

[JD]

"Star City 2040" was a great episode!!

I am really curious. Are we seeing a definite future or an alternate future that actually won't happen? If it is a definite future, it's kinda bleak because it means that we already know what is going to happen to Star City. We already know that our heroes will ultimately fail for the next 20 years. But maybe the show is just presenting us with a future that will never happen just to help us appreciate more what our heroes are saving the city from this season? Or would the show involve time travel shenanigans to "undo" this future?

After the first flash forward one of the producers or writers said that the flash forwards will continue on for the rest of the series, and this was before they decided to end it next season, so no matter what this future will at least continue into next season.

So far, we are seeing a pretty bad future overall.

If this is THE future, what's really the point of this story other than to say what they do in the present means little. Other than Oliver, who we don't know, everyone important could be alive. Diggle's fate is an interesting question.

Well, now that we have the flash forwards the point of the present day story is to show how things ended up how they are in the future, and I'm fine with that.

True. I see that. We got quite the dystopian view of Star City in this episode with the rich elite living behind walls and the rest of Star City living in slums with cage fights and criminals.

But that is why there is a part of me that secretly hopes the future is changed. It would be depressing to end the show with Ollie dying and leaving the city in worse shape. Basically, his entire life of fighting to save the city was for nothing? I hope not.

Even if they end the present day stuff with Oliver dying, we could still get a happy ending in the future and that works for me.
As for Oliver's fate, Stephen Amell has said that even though Arrow is ending, that doesn't mean we won't see Oliver again. Altough with Flash and Legends there is always the chance present day E1 Oliver could die, and he'd just make occaisional appearances as either a version of him from the past or one of the other Earths.

I love a happy ending as much as the next person, but I also wouldn't mind an Arrow Beyond spin-off with Mia, William, Zoe and Connor set in this future. And if it does turn out to be the "real" future I don't think Oliver's fight was in vain just because things got bad again later on, he saved the city (and the world) many times over, and inspired others to pick up and continue the good fight.

After last night, I'd be very much up for this.
Really enjoyed the episode last night. It was nice to get to see Mia's backstory, and the relationship developing between her and William is a lot of fun.
Nyssa showing up to train Mia was a surprise.
I'm really liking the whole team combining the first and second generation characters. I wonder if we'll get to see Rene eventually join up with them, for at least one fight?
I'm glad to know Rene and Felicity are still good guys.
What is Roy up to in the present? I've been expecting him to pop up in the present now that's a regular again, but there's been no sign of him.

 

[Christopher]

Even if they end the present day stuff with Oliver dying, we could still get a happy ending in the future and that works for me.
As for Oliver's fate, Stephen Amell has said that even though Arrow is ending, that doesn't mean we won't see Oliver again. Altough with Flash and Legends there is always the chance present day E1 Oliver could die, and he'd just make occaisional appearances as either a version of him from the past or one of the other Earths.

At this point, everyone is expecting Oliver to die in CoIE, so it'd be pretty boring if he actually did. I'd like to think that the producers are deliberately leading us to believe he's going to die so that we'll be surprised by whatever actually happens instead.

What is Roy up to in the present? I've been expecting him to pop up in the present now that's a regular again, but there's been no sign of him.

I think I saw a recent mention somewhere of a set photo or tweet suggesting that Colton Haynes was shooting a scene of Roy in the present. So we may see that eventually.

 

[DarKush]

I wasn't a big fan of this week's episode. It felt more like a backdoor pilot for the proposed Mia spin off than an episode that did much to push the main narrative along. Though it got me thinking about how disjointed this season has. Who is the big bad exactly, Dante/Ninth Circle or Galaxy/Archer? Especially now that Diaz is supposedly dead. I wish these storylines were more tied together. At this point I'm not exactly sure what this season is supposed to be about. Arrow continues to have problems in how it utilizes villains/villain management, and it's been that way since day one, with how they just cast off Constantine Drakon in the very first episode when he could've potentially been a season or multi-season long antagonist. And each time they bring China White back it makes me think of how they've underused that character as well, and it still goes on. Sometimes they get it right, like with Deathstroke and Prometheus, but then they have a tendency to let some villains, like Diaz overstay their welcome. I would like to see more Dante (I think Adrian Paul would've made a good Ra's Al Ghul) and the Ninth Circle and have that be the connecting thread between the present and the flash forwards.

At least this episode did explain what happened to Felicity and that she didn't really turn into a villain, as it was hinted earlier in the season. It was also cool seeing Nyssa again, and it appears she is using the Lazarus pit. We also learned more about Mia's backstory, and a little more about Connor Hawke as well (still doesn't make sense to me why they just didn't keep him John Diggle Jr.; so where is the other Diggle son now?), but I don't care much about the flash forwards because they don't feel like they are going anywhere. I was intrigued at first because of the look they gave us into the futures for some of the characters, but now, it's just turned into another save the city plot from super weapon.

I would rather have an Emiko Arrow spin off than one with Mia. Mia is okay, but I did feel this episode tried to push her over to the audience too hard, and I'm not interested in following her solo adventures. The actress was okay, but I don't care for the character much at this point. I liked seeing the future Black Canary and her interaction with William more than William and Mia.

 

[Turtletrekker]

^I think we've been told in producer interviews that this is meant to be the future, but whether that's really the case or just hype remains to be seen. Anyway, the time-travel antics on The Flash and Legends make the future an intrinsically mutable entity.

"The timeline is malleable."

 

[dahj]

I would rather have an Emiko Arrow spin off than one with Mia.

I like Emiko too, but they could have just continued Arrow with her as the new Green Arrow after Ollie "retires" if that's what they wanted and since Batwoman is already slated to cover the present day street level vigilante corner of the Arrowverse that's probably not gonna happen.

A show set in a dystopian-ish future however would be a unique take in the slate of shows, though I do hope they get a little more futuristic than "a server room is just a tiny cube now" if it ever gets to the series phase...

By the way, has there been any actual talk from the producer side of them potentially doing this?

 

[JD]

I haven't heard anything about it, and I tend to follow Arrowverse news pretty closely.

I Who is the big bad exactly, Dante/Ninth Circle or Galaxy/Archer? Especially now that Diaz is supposedly dead. I wish these storylines were more tied together.

Both. I'm pretty sure there have been times in the past where we had different Big Bads in the present and flashbacks, so I don't really see where this is any different.

 

[DarKush]

I haven't heard anything about it, and I tend to follow Arrowverse news pretty closely.

Both. I'm pretty sure there have been times in the past where we had different Big Bads in the present and flashbacks, so I don't really see where this is any different.

That is true, though I hoped at this point they would do away with that, something I never thought they did super well with as the series went on, coming off as unwieldy and sometimes pointless to me. As it as stands, we might get the same basic plot just in both timelines this season (city in danger) whereas it wasn't quite the same in the previous flashbacks/present day situations.

 

[DarKush]

I like Emiko too, but they could have just continued Arrow with her as the new Green Arrow after Ollie "retires" if that's what they wanted and since Batwoman is already slated to cover the present day street level vigilante corner of the Arrowverse that's probably not gonna happen.

A show set in a dystopian-ish future however would be a unique take in the slate of shows, though I do hope they get a little more futuristic than "a server room is just a tiny cube now" if it ever gets to the series phase...

By the way, has there been any actual talk from the producer side of them potentially doing this?

It would be unique, though it also has the problem of stifling-potentially-the creativity of Batwoman, Flash, and maybe Supergirl, and even Black Lightning (if they make it a member of the Arrowverse). With Legends having the time travel aspect, not so much, because they can always do a reset button.

https://glamourfame.com/cw-reportedly-working-an-arrow-spin-off-blackstar

 

[dahj]

It would be unique, though it also has the problem of stifling-potentially-the creativity of Batwoman, Flash, and maybe Supergirl, and even Black Lightning (if they make it a member of the Arrowverse). With Legends having the time travel aspect, not so much, because they can always do a reset button.

Well, since the flashforwards will continue in season 8, if they decide to go ahead with the show it probably wouldn't come out till Fall 2020, and it's entirely possible we might see another one(or more) show(s) ending then.

 

[DarKush]

Well, since the flashforwards will continue in season 8, if they decide to go ahead with the show it probably wouldn't come out till Fall 2020, and it's entirely possible we might see another one(or more) show(s) ending then.

Good point. I didn't know the flashforwards were going to be in the next season. It would be cool to just have a whole season without flashbacks or flashforwards.

 

[dahj]

It would be cool to just have a whole season without flashbacks or flashforwards.

The previous season was largely flash-less.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

It was great to see "Auntie Nyssa" again, although it seemed strange that none of the rest of her team knew Felicity and Oliver had a child together.

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Katrina looks great, considering she just gave birth 3 months ago!

https://comicbook.com/dc/2018/12/28/arrows-katrina-law-gives-birth-to-a-girl/

Huzzah!

 

[dahj]

Katrina looks great, considering she just gave birth 3 months ago!

It's nice to have a Lazarus Pit.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

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She obviously sequestered a few gallons before destroying it 4 years ago.

 

[theenglish]

We still don't know for sure that Oliver is not alive in the future timeline. Considering the speculation that he will not survive COIE then it is entirely possible the writers are playing with us and that we will see him return in the future at some point. I am also wondering if the "mid season" ending announcement is a possible bluff.

 

[Mage]

So whatever the deal was, I don't think he knows he'll die, if he'll even die, that is.

We still don't know for sure that Oliver is not alive in the future timeline. Considering the speculation that he will not survive COIE then it is entirely possible the writers are playing with us and that we will see him return in the future at some point. I am also wondering if the "mid season" ending announcement is a possible bluff.

I was thinking about that after seeing the latest episode yesterday. They never mentioned wether or not Ollie's dead in the flashforwards, right??

 

[JD]

I've been seeing a lot of Nyssa Al Ghul lately. First Arrow,

Spoiler: latest episode of Gotham

then it turned out "Walker" on Gotham is actually their version of Nyssa

, and then the other day I played through the story line in Batman: Arkham Knight were Nyssa is leading a rebellion in the League that is trying to stop her father's resurrection.

 

[thribs]

It was a good future until we learned Felicity was still alive. Then it became the worst future.

This episode tonight was alright. The twist on Emiko feels very “been there done that” to me. Also, are the implying she had something to do with the Queen’s Gambit? That just feels unnecessary

 

[Christopher]

We know that Malcolm Merlyn had a bomb planted on the Queen's Gambit. Given that the document Emiko burned said "Invoice: Malcolm Merlyn," I think this means that she's the one he paid to plant the bomb.