Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Mage, Aug 7, 2018.
he was searching prior to that report
What is your point, though? Again, nobody else has reason to hunt down Oliver and try to kill him. This is an action-adventure show. Unless the question you're asking can generate an action story, then it's not going to be relevant to the show.
My point is that none of the families and friends of the others had less reasons to hold out hope and try look for them...
But again, what does that matter from a story perspective? This is not a show about random people and their problems, it's a show about Oliver Queen and his problems. What you're talking about only matters to the show if it affects Oliver.
Again: Malcolm Merlyn blew up the yacht. He's the one responsible for everyone else who died. And he's dead now too. But Hackett was killed by Robert Queen on behalf of Oliver Queen. That makes him unique among the people aboard the Gambit (well, aside from Robert himself). Therefore, the situation with Hackett's son was unique. He was the only one with motive to target Oliver. None of the other people you're talking about would be in the same situation or have reason to behave in the same way.
Yes, it's not relevant to the plot. I never said it was. I was just wondering
They all lived. Turns out only Robert and Hackett died.
Come to think of it -- how large a crew would a yacht typically have? We're not talking about an ocean liner here. The QG seems to have been a relatively modest-sized yacht, which (judging from a few minutes of Googling) might have a crew as small as just 3-4 people or even just a captain, depending on how hands-on the owner was and the duration of the trip. Now, the QG was sailing across the Pacific to China, so that's a trip of several days, I presume, so they'd probably want a reasonable-sized crew. On the other hand, Robert was secretly taking the trip to try to stop the Undertaking, so he may not have wanted more people aboard than necessary for security reasons. Did the show ever establish how many people were aboard?
Looking at the pic of the yacht I would say Captain, first officer, Engineer, Cook, Bodyguard, Oliver, Sarah, and Robert. Figure at top speed probably 10 to 12 days travel for the 5400 nautical miles and thats good weather all the way.
Queen was rich. Add in another 6-8 people for deck crew and interior (stews).
The mate, a mighty sailing lad. A skipper brave and sure. A millionaire and his son. A movie star. The bodyguard and Sara Lance.
So we're talking maybe four families with a stake in the incident aside from the Queens, Lances, and Hacketts.
I'm interested, these kinds of episodes can be fun.
I thought this weeks' episode was pretty good.
It was interesting getting a story that tied all the way back into the events on the Queen's Gambit. I've liked Oliver work with the police, it's a nice change of pace from how the show usually works. I wonder if this will be a long term thing, or if something will happen that eventually pushes him back into the shadows?
I liked getting to learn a bit more about Sara-2's history.
I missed some of what happened with Diaz, was all of the stuff about reviving the Suici- Ghost Initiative a lie to get him into the simulation, or is that still happening.
The Ghost Initiative is real. The simulation was Curtis's idea as an alternative to Lyla and Diggle's plan.
OK, thanks. Happy to hear since it means more hopefully we'll get more China White and Carrie Cutter.
Damn. I was hoping that was going to be Onomatopoeia. Not some random person.
Are we supposed to know who that blonde chick was at the end? Looks like they’re setting up that Legends episode.
The "documentary" format here was an interesting experiment, but it didn't quite work, both because they didn't commit to it fully and because there was a bit too much that got into the documentary that probably shouldn't have. Also, it's implausible that ARGUS would let a documentary crew into their facility. Still, nice to see old faces like Quentin, Thea, Sin, and Ragman. Although it was left disquietingly unclear what happened to Rory and Helena/Huntress after Chimera attacked them and took their masks.
It's almost like everything I have an issue with the Flash this season Arrow is answering the next week. Flash midseason premiere was a disappointment bore. Arrow comes in with a midseason premiere that knocks it out of the park. Flash is afraid to tell the characters what they need to know (Nora's secret), Oliver comes right out and tells Diggle and Dinah about Emiko. Flash's storyline seems to have stalled since the midseason finale (A great episode by the way), Arrow has been moving the plot at such an awesome pace and I can't wait till next monday. Maybe Arrow isn't the show that needs to end. Flash is. Beth Schwartz has come into this series and given it almost a second life and the results have been fantastic so far.
I also smiled so much with the reunion of Team Arrow. The last time we saw this team they were competing with each other and it was a really annoying storyline. In the 12th episode of the season, Team Arrow reunites and it was like a rebirth of the show in a way.
I think my only issue is relatively minor and that is the future storyline has stalled, mainly because we haven't seen it for 2 weeks save 5 minutes. Still, I read an interview on TVLine last week (This was done a few weeks ago) that Schartz said episode 16 is going to be entirely done in the future so I think that makes up for why we haven't seen it now. I'm starting to get into the "Give the writers the benefit of the doubt" stage, and that's a good good thing.
Oh, and it was awesome seeing Thea and Quintin again, and Barry's scene was hilarious.
Noticed the reference to the exoskeleton coming from Wayne Enterprises. So Chimera was wearing bat-armor? Nice. It seems like ever since the crossover, that the CW shows are dropping Gotham and Batman references a lot more frequently.
I think this episode worked on many levels and part of that being that it did go back and forth from the documentary to present day tense.
It started even before the crossover. E.g. in the Rag Doll episode of The Flash, the architect that Rag Doll targeted was trying to close a deal to build a skyscraper in Gotham (although that's a bit hard to reconcile with Gotham being a "dead" city as we learned later).
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