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Spoilers Arrow - Season 5

Marc said:
I'm sure that there are Arrow watchers out there who are in wheelchairs that would like some-one they can sort of identify with for the situation.
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As someone in a wheelchair, the whole point of watching superhero escapism is because they can do these wonderful things I can't. In fact, they do things nobody can do, so identifying is out the door in general, no?

We relate with their emotions, not their feats of strength.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
As someone in a wheelchair, the whole point of watching superhero escapism is because they can do these wonderful things I can't. In fact, they do things nobody can do, so identifying is out the door in general, no?

We relate with their emotions, not their feats of strength.
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But that's what was great about Oracle. She fought crime using her intelligence and her computer skills, and proved you don't need physical prowess to be a hero. She was so effective and important that she ended up becoming a presence far beyond the Batman-family comics, a key asset to practically the entire DC hero community.
 
True, and she works wonderfully and contrubutes much to the stories.

But you can tell her story (or ones like it) in any genre, there's little fantastical about it.

Guys swinging through cities and throwing cars at each other is where the excitmement is and the draw for me personally. It's the hook, at least. Then we delve into what makes them tick and peel back the layers.

I mean, we all like Jimmy Olsen. But Superman is why we (generally) keep coming back. It's the same with Oracle to Batman for me.
 
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M'rk son of Mogh said:
As someone in a wheelchair, the whole point of watching superhero escapism is because they can do these wonderful things I can't. In fact, they do things nobody can do, so identifying is out the door in general, no?

We relate with their emotions, not their feats of strength.
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my wife is in a wheelchair (she has cereberal palsy) and when she was Paxton on NCIS:NO she was simply pleased to see they had a character in wheelchair so perhaps saying identify was too strong a wording.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
But you can tell her story (or ones like it) in any genre, there's little fantastical about it.
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I dunno... The way that computer hacking is generally portrayed in fiction is just as fanciful and exaggerated in its own way as the portrayals of superhero action. And a character like Oracle is of great value in this day and age when computers are everywhere -- that's why both Smallville and Arrow have had Oracle surrogates (Chloe and Felicity).
 
Compared to the last couple seasons, I'm really liking the state of Arrow this year, but if I'm not mistaken, this premiere episode was talked about having the longest, most violent one take fight shot ever done for tv, and I definitely didn't see anything like that...
 
Did we ever learn who the fan favorite character that was going to join the cast of Arrow was this season? I'm still pulling for Constantine, but if there is someone else, I'd like to know.
 
If Ragman is the "fan favorite" character they were alluding to, I will be disappointed. Oh well, still early in the season. Plenty of time to add other characters.

Also, Prometheus? Really? Arrow continues to pirate IPs from other DC properties.

Episode was nothing special, but it wasn't horrible.
 
This one was fairly good, though at first I didn't get why Oliver was so eager to employ training techniques from a murderous crime syndicate. But they did explain that -- Oliver's still hurting from Laurel's loss, and Bratva training stressed not caring about anyone else so you wouldn't feel loss. So they managed to make emotional sense of it as more than just a contrived parallel with the flashbacks.

Oh, and it was pretty obvious to me that the intended solution to the "ring the bell" thing was to work together. I guess because that's a fairly common "test" trope in a lot of stories.

It was cute to see Felicity struggling to come up with the same kind of lame excuses with her Anti-Crime Unit boyfriend that Oliver used to offer when requesting her help back in season 1. But why doesn't she have the requisite lab equipment back at the Arrowcave? (The training facility seemed to be an abandoned HIVE HQ.)

I'm a little surprised at the inclusion of Ragman, since I thought they were going for a back-to-basics approach and getting away from the superpowers and magic.

I was wondering how Diggle would get back on Team Arrow, but I guess either he'll have to go into hiding to avoid court-martial, or he'll be cleared but quit the Army out of disillusionment.
 
So Arrow needs to be all touchy feely with the new kids, NO! He's right with the first approach. The new guys are whiney little kids and a poor replacement for John, Laurel & Thea. Like the Flash, the shake up seems to have caused more problems than solutions, the show needed a shake up in story and writing of villians and the general arc not in guttering the original characters of Team Arrow.

The camera work during Church/Arrow fight was awful you could clearly see for a long duration of time the stunt double, I really hate that in a show it breaks any immersion. Ragman origin story was a little weird too but weird is the common trope in this DC TV verse.

I am liking Prometheus though, can't wait for Arrow to meet him.
 
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Jax said:
So Arrow needs to be all touchy feely with the new kids, NO! He's right with the first approach.
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You're confusing two different issues. It's not about "touchy-feely," it's about trust. If your recruits trust you, then they'll understand that when you get tough with them, you're doing it for their own good, and so they'll be better able to accept it and learn from it. If they don't trust you, then they'll see that toughness as arbitrary abusiveness. So it's not about toughness vs. trust, it's about toughness without trust vs. toughness with trust.

It parallels what Diggle was saying to the soldier about how there's a comfort in the chain of command, in trusting your superiors' orders so you don't have to worry about making decisions. Which was stripped away from him when he discovered that he couldn't trust his superior and was just being used.
 
That was another decent episode, so far I like how this season is shaping up.

New kids on the block are sufficiently diverse, will be interesting to see what they each bring to the table.
Did not see or anticipate the inclusion of Ragman, but I welcome it, and I like that Oliver deliberately let Church win to stop Ragman from killing the Amertek CEO, basically letting a bad guy go to save a kid's soul. Good superheroing right there, especially considering Oliver's own newfound willingness to kill.

Diggle really seems to have bad luck with his commanding officers, this is the third one that turns out to be corrupt, making his unwavering belief in army life and following orders seem really out of tune with his depicted experiences. Am curious to see how this will tie into the main story, however.

The only real issue I have with this episode was almost a non issue, because during the weapons exchange for a minute there I thought Church was just going to shoot the Amertek people and steal the weapons. Which would totally make sense, but then they threw in one line of dialogue that established that he does indeed apparently have a spare $100 million dollars!?! And his idea is to invest that in street crime?!? Just what kind of weapons does he need anyway against one guy with a bow and arrows? For that kind of money one could buy friggin fighter jets... Like seriously, what kind of returns is he expecting on that investment and from where?
 
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