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Spoilers Arrow - Season 5

Vixen is in tonight's Legends episode of the crossover. So your wish is granted. :)

Well, that goes without saying. Not only has she been seen in all the promos, but obviously a Legends of Tomorrow episode is going to feature all of that show's regular cast members, even if they don't guest star in the other two parts. So naturally Amaya was going to be in the concluding part. But the surprising and disappointing thing is that she's the only LoT regular who isn't in either of the other two parts. Sara and Ray are in all three parts, Mick, Stein, and Jax are in parts 1 & 3, and Nate and Gideon are in parts 2 & 3, but Amaya doesn't appear at all outside of her own series.
 
Normaly I mostly don't like fake VR/alt-realities stories but here I liked the way each character was beginning to see the truth and start realizing the reality of their situation (something I loved about Lost s6 :p). Oh and the Waverider coming to the rescue ala the Millenium Falcon in ANH, awesome! :D
 
So did they totally retcon Sara? Early on, she seemed like a party girl, and was totally on board for hooking up with Ollie. But now she's preferring girls? Seems like a diss to the bisexual community
 
So did they totally retcon Sara? Early on, she seemed like a party girl, and was totally on board for hooking up with Ollie. But now she's preferring girls? Seems like a diss to the bisexual community
That preference can change during one's life.
While still technically being bi, she can prefer girls over boys most of the time.
 
So did they totally retcon Sara? Early on, she seemed like a party girl, and was totally on board for hooking up with Ollie. But now she's preferring girls? Seems like a diss to the bisexual community
Same as what happened to Captain Jack from Doctor Who (flipping the preference of course).
 
I think of myself as bi and I prefer girls about 80% of the time, so what I'm trying to say is language =/= whatever you feel... or something,
 
It seems strange that Oliver never mentioned the obvious to Thea: we have no idea how long the Dominators would keep Thea in her happy world. The next step could have been dissection. That's a relevant consideration when deciding who needs to leave.
 
Yeah, but I was under the impression that they knew this reality was fake, but they didn't have a complete grasp on what their current status in the real world should be and they didn't actually know where they were yet.
At that point Thea preferred her family over ignorance, not possible alien anal probes.
 
So did they totally retcon Sara? Early on, she seemed like a party girl, and was totally on board for hooking up with Ollie. But now she's preferring girls? Seems like a diss to the bisexual community

Not really.

Remember that Nyssa Al Gul and Sara Lance were lovers and that's what the bought the former to Star(ling) City a couple of seasons back.

Sara's orientation has come up on Legends several times both in the season and the previous
 
Yes, her orientation as bisexual, which is most usually portrayed as lesbian in nature these days.

Anyways, does anyone else think the reminder / rekindling of Oliver's feelings for Laurel could lead to another Canary/Arrow romance, this time with an alternate universe doppelganger?
 
Yes, her orientation as bisexual, which is most usually portrayed as lesbian in nature these days.

Is it really, though? Maybe she's like Alex Danvers on Supergirl -- she used to assume she was hetero, because that was the presumed "default," but then she learned she was really lesbian. After all, her only known instances of expressing interest in men (aside from some flirtation with Snart in LoT) were when she was younger -- once in high school when she made a play for a classmate's boyfriend, and then at age 20 when she slept with Oliver while he was dating Laurel. If anything, it seemed she was only interested in men who were already spoken for, so maybe she was driven more by a desire to compete with women than desire for the men themselves. Which seems like the way a lesbian who's still closeted to herself might act out. After all, since the men are spoken for, there's a built-in excuse for avoiding a closer relationship.

Or she could be bi tending heavily toward women. It's not like there are only three categories; sexual preference is a continuum. Bisexuality rarely means having an exactly equal number of male and female partners. It can mean being open to both but generally preferring one. There's a transitional area where the difference between "bisexual with a strong lean in one direction" and "preferring one sex with occasional exceptions" is pretty much a matter of individual perception.


Anyways, does anyone else think the reminder / rekindling of Oliver's feelings for Laurel could lead to another Canary/Arrow romance, this time with an alternate universe doppelganger?

I hope not. I never thought there was any chemistry between the actors. Heck, that's presumably why the writers moved away from the expected Oliver/Laurel pairing in the first place -- because Amell had better chemistry with Rickards than with Cassidy. (But then, Rickards has great chemistry with just about everybody.)
 
Sara rekindled. Her relationship with Oliver in season 2 after she returned to Starling City.
That was after she got involved with Nyssa.
 
I guess it just comes down to the notion that for the last three years or so, pretty much since the end of the second season, Sara has been portrayed as attracted exclusively to women, and has said on at least one occasion "I like girls", and I believe Mick has said that of her as well. Neither observation excludes a bisexual orientation overall. OTOH, it would be nice to have her at least acknowledge that she's into both genders at some point in the show she stars in, be it by having a one-shot romance with some dude, if not outright saying that she's into both but prefers another.

OTO(O)H, Oliver Queen is consistently portrayed as a head-turner, as recently as last week (Iris: "Oh my God, he just got so much hotter"). Guess he simply turns heads clear across the spectrum. :)

And I suppose that there's a sort of plot point that could have solidified her preference, what with being killed and resurrected and all...

Mark
 
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If anything, it seemed she was only interested in men who were already spoken for, so maybe she was driven more by a desire to compete with women than desire for the men themselves. Which seems like the way a lesbian who's still closeted to herself might act out. After all, since the men are spoken for, there's a built-in excuse for avoiding a closer relationship.

That's a bit sexist.
Implying Sara sleeping around with men in her youth was because of her confused sexuality, while Oliver slept with a bunch of (also involved) women and he isn't secretly gay (except for Anatoly).

Sara is bisexual and very sexually adventurous, not just in her youth but even now when she's sleeping around with the queen of France and witches of Salem, that's not really looking for a closer relationship either.
The fact that she engages in casual sexual relationships does not mean she is or was ever confused about her sexuality.
 
Wow Felicity didn't blame the death on Oliver. I was totally expecting either Oliver lying or Felicity to not see reason and blame it on Oliver
 
5x09...

Whoa! Shades of Dallas! :eek:

Wow Felicity didn't blame the death on Oliver. I was totally expecting either Oliver lying or Felicity to not see reason and blame it on Oliver
I never thought he'd lie. I was sure he'd have learned by now.

What's Evelyn's motive for turning on Ollie? Stuff like that is usually personal. That's unless she's pretending to turn on him for some reason.

And who's the woman who trained Ollie and Prometeus in Russia?
 
Okay, I think we can confirm that the dimensional portals between Earth-1 and Earth-38 are displaced through time. When Barry and Cisco came to recruit Kara's help against the Dominators, it was just after Thanksgiving on her Earth. But Oliver's comments at the Christmas party peg the Dominator invasion as coming about a week before Christmas on Earth-1. So the rift was displaced about three weeks backward.

And we also know the invasion happened in 2016, according to Sara in the preceding Legends episode. So if it happened in the third week of December 2016, that means that either the president who was killed was a lame duck anyway and his VP is only going to be acting POTUS for a month, or he was a re-elected incumbent about to start his second term. I guess that depends on whether we see the replacement president again in the Arrowverse.

This one didn't go the way I expected. I thought we'd surely get a reveal of who Prometheus was in the closing minutes. As it was, the ending was a bit understated and jumped around from one thing to another. But it was interesting to get flashbacks to the early first season.

Something bugs me about Curtis and Paul -- I don't think we've ever seen them kiss or show any physical affection to each other. The lesbian characters on CW shows get to make out on camera, so I wonder if the network has a double standard where gay male characters are concerned. If so, maybe that's why Curtis and Paul don't seem to show much chemistry, always seeming to be at arm's length physically and emotionally. I've never really been sold on their relationship. (I was going to say they seemed stiff together, but then I realized there's an innuendo there that's kind of the opposite of what I mean...)

Also, where did Evelyn disappear to after her big outing as the traitor? There should've been some followup on that. And I'm not sure what purpose it served for her to reveal herself at that point in Prometheus's plan, since they just retreated after that and it didn't really accomplish anything. Maybe it wasn't part of the plan -- maybe she had to reveal herself to save Prometheus from Wild Dog. But everything else was so meticulously arranged that that's hard to believe.

And whatever happened to the reveal that Prometheus had to be someone with the SCPD in order to get the Hood's old arrows out of evidence? Was that just a red herring to make us suspect Lance? It'd be kind of a cheat if it turned out to be untrue now.
 
"Almost every wednesday", :guffaw:

Guessing the DA is Prometheus. Or is he the police chief? I can't remember his title.

And somehow, the episode seemed to become all about Felicity again. meh.
 
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