"Legends of Yesterday"...
A Superman reference by Thea?
A Superman reference by Thea?
Spoilers Arrow - Season 4
- Thread starter Commander Richard
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No, that was an Avengers 2 reference.
Not really a fan of the magically appearing and disappearing wings. I understand why they did it for practical purposes. Makes fight scenes easier. No need to match CGI wings to cumbersome physical ones that the actors have to wear unused when not flying.
But there is no real explanation of what is causing it. Not version of the characters are like this that I know of. They wore ceremonial wings in Egypt. In the comics their reincarnated selves wear them in the present. In every life do they look physically the same and able to grow wings???
But there is no real explanation of what is causing it. Not version of the characters are like this that I know of. They wore ceremonial wings in Egypt. In the comics their reincarnated selves wear them in the present. In every life do they look physically the same and able to grow wings???
^ I think it's a very innovative way to do the wings. Not only does it solve a lot of production issues but it works in-show as well. Hawkman and Hawkgirl may not have been portrayed this way before but various angels have.
Oh.
Aside from Superman, I briefly thought of the 1990 Ninja Turtles movie when they went to the farm and Thea made that reference.
Yeah, same here - but then I figured Age of Ultron.
Very good episodes. Sometimes I couldn't tell if I was watching Arrow or Flash. 
I gotta say, though, Diggle, Laurel, and Thea didn't have any vital roles and had very little dialogue. That seems to be the case with crossovers. But I understand the main focus of the story was more on Hawkman, Hawkgirl, and Vandal Savage. Flash's time travel ability figured prominently in Vandal's defeat, while Oliver's discovering he had a son was merely a subplot. Why Ollie wanted to keep it a secret from Felicity in the new timeline doesn't make sense.
I gotta say, though, Diggle, Laurel, and Thea didn't have any vital roles and had very little dialogue. That seems to be the case with crossovers. But I understand the main focus of the story was more on Hawkman, Hawkgirl, and Vandal Savage. Flash's time travel ability figured prominently in Vandal's defeat, while Oliver's discovering he had a son was merely a subplot. Why Ollie wanted to keep it a secret from Felicity in the new timeline doesn't make sense.
IIRC the Post Zero Hour version of Hawkman could absorb his wings into his body.
DC does the same thing with Hank Hall (Hawk) and Dawn Granger (Dove). Where Hawk is an unlikable caveman, and Dove is the only one who empathizes and sympathizes with Hawk. Because, reasons?
1. Psychic projection.
2. Astral wings submerging to our level.
3. Magical gifts from Horus.
4. Alien tech gifted from abduction and upgrades.
5. Brand new flesh and bone wings the rapidly grow to full size from random backfat and then disintegrate/vaporize when not needed.
2. Astral wings submerging to our level.
3. Magical gifts from Horus.
4. Alien tech gifted from abduction and upgrades.
5. Brand new flesh and bone wings the rapidly grow to full size from random backfat and then disintegrate/vaporize when not needed.
My problem with the wings sprouting up and disappearing is that it doesn't even seem to matter what the Hawks are wearing on their backs. They better be magic, because I can't see them having a scientific/biological basis working like that.
"I need to sprout my wings, so I'm going to jump off this building."
"In that case, you might want to take off your jacket."
"I need to sprout my wings, so I'm going to jump off this building."
"In that case, you might want to take off your jacket."
Is nobody commenting on the fact that Malcom just became irredeemable evil again by helping Randal Savage (somehow) back to life presumably and thereby causing doom for the entire world and making the Legends team necessary in the first place?
I thought that was his schtick. If I want redemption, I'll go to church.
Malcolm is going to get that pitt working eventually and then he's going to be immortal too... Or at least, he'll have added 3 or 4 hundred years to his expectancy, if the clues from the last Ras (and Damien) are a set of benchmarks to go by.
Immortals stick together because the alternative is destructive.
Hmmm?
What if the plan is to use Vandal's remains to reignite his Lazarus Pitt?
If Vandal also come back to life during this ritual?
Meh.
OH!
Malcolm is duty bound to follow the debts of all previous Ras?
Which is a conflict with the "Oliver kills Ras to void the blood debt against Thea" plan they had last season.
Immortals stick together because the alternative is destructive.
Hmmm?
What if the plan is to use Vandal's remains to reignite his Lazarus Pitt?
If Vandal also come back to life during this ritual?
Meh.
OH!
Malcolm is duty bound to follow the debts of all previous Ras?
Which is a conflict with the "Oliver kills Ras to void the blood debt against Thea" plan they had last season.
I thought the first part was better than the second. But a theory - what if the person in the coffin is Ollie's ex?
Apples and oranges. Hawk and Dove are brothers, so there's no question as to why they tolerate each other despite having opposite personalities. Plus the only time I ever recall them being portrayed in anything other than the comics they cast freaking Fred Savage and Jason Hervey. Those cats have chemistry.
Also, it's not just about the two characters having conflicting personalities in an "opposite attract" kind of way. There is clearly no attraction there, even in the ancient Egypt scenes we're not given any reason why they're together besides the demands of the plot. To be fair a lot of that has to do with how little time they had to tell the story (if they'd cut out daddy Ollie b-story, it might have made the necessary room by-the-bye.)
You know what might have worked a little better? If they had the actor playing Katar portray him as a much more sympathetic charter in the past instead of the foppish princeling we got. That would give the character a bit for of an arc if we see that the endless cycles of re-incarnation have taken a toll and they're both now very different people. Now only together because that's all they've ever known.
But instead they just had him play the clichéd "dude-bro arsehole who the pretty girl is dating while the nerdy guy with the good heart is inexplicably 'friend-zoned' so he can look all pouty."
There were a few other problems with that whole thing too. Like how Shayera was supposed to be a "warrior priestess" and yet we have no real demonstration of this in the flashbacks. How preying to Horus suddenly worked and how much of what Savage was doing was off the cuff or pre-planned. It all seemed like it wasn't very well thought through.
I'll give them a pass on how cheap the sets looked since it is hard to portray one of the richest and most opulent period in human history on a TV budget. Still, you'd think being a Vancouver shoot there should be a small warehouse somewhere full of old SG-1 costume and set pieces they could have rented or something. More hangings, higher contrast lighting, god-rays and stronger filters & digital grading to hide just how fake it all looked?
Also, not a fan of how they changed Savage's origin to tie so directly to the Hawks. I liked the idea that he was originally a hunter-gather caveman type and several hundred thousand years old instead of just four. They still could have done the whole thing of him becoming ensnared in the Horus re-incarnation cycle as a result of his attempt to become more powerful, or perhaps WAY more interestingly: to finally *die*.
