Spoilers Arrow - Season 4

[Reverend]

I think the fact that they have each other's numbers means that they've almost certainly encountered each other more than once.

Also, when I retired my last phone it had numbers on it for people I haven't seen or spoken to in well over 6 years. These days the idea of "keeping a person on speed dial" as something that implies meaning or a aspecial effor is a bit on an anachronism. Generally, you just accumulate numbers from various people and after a while it becomes more of a hassle to go in and delete all the unneeded ones.

Getting back to the episode though: yeah, I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone like Ollie to hold onto the contact number for the only person he knows who is 1) knowledgeable in the arcane arts and 2) owes him a favour.

 

[Reverend]

[double post]

 

[Christopher]

You forgot to add Constantine the series in there.

I didn't forget, I just didn't count it because it was only retroactively folded into the universe with this week's episode. Which was implicit in my statement that they've now added magic in Arrow.

 

[Gaith]

^ Well, theoretically, the Matt Ryan who appeared on Arrow could be from a different universe than the one seen on the NBC show...

So, when's Ollie gonna propose already?! Better not be later than New Year's.

 

[Christopher]

^ Well, theoretically, the Matt Ryan who appeared on Arrow could be from a different universe than the one seen on the NBC show...

There were several references to specifics from the series, at least implicitly. Constantine's line in the flashback about being "on the side of the angels, at least when they're not screwing me over" fits pretty well with his attitude toward angels and his experience with them in the show. And he said that he collects dangerous magical items and keeps them in a safe place, which sounds like a reference to the mill house that was his base in the series. (Note that he has Dr. Fate's helmet in there, which means it could now show up in the Arrowverse!) He also uses the same business cards here that he used in the series ("Exorcist, Demonologist, and Master of the Dark Arts"), although he said in his pilot that he was going to change them. And apparently the Restitutionum spell he performed last year is indeed a reference to the episode "Quid Pro Quo." (Also the episode director, John Badham, also directed a Constantine episode. And Matt Ryan was wearing the exact same wardrobe he had in the show.)

So, when's Ollie gonna propose already?! Better not be later than New Year's.

Well, this is a sweeps month...

 

[JD]

I was a big fan of the Constantine show, so I loved seeing him on Arrow.
The overall episode was really good to. I got a kick out of seeing Diggle and Lance working together, I don't think that's a pair we've seen working together too much.
I wasn't to bothered by the whole thing with Nanda Parbat being their version of the other realm. That was where Sarah was resurrected, so I can see why it would be an appropriate place for her soul to be trapped.

 

[sojourner]

I think it was more the way it was filmed. It just reeked (sp?) of cheap re-use of the set. Some weird camera angles and maybe some distorted lenses would have helped I think.

 

[DigificWriter]

Re: Constantine and the Flarrow-verse: In addition to what Christopher mentioned, producer Wendy Mericle confirmed that Matt Ryan was playing the exact same character from the NBC series for his guest spot on Arrow.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They said that the Pitt was a soul soup.

(My words, their sentiment.)

Usually it tacks some other ghouls' soul onto the new swimmer.

Which is why a person turns into a pyschopath, or more accurately considering the job, a "greater" psychopath, after taking a dip.

But that'd mean that the Pitt is ripping parts of the bathers souls out as well, to later tack onto some later Ras, or Sara when they were in need of a life force boost... Unless the Pitt is a the Burial sight for all previous Ras, and other members of the League and still others deemed... Do you remember Serpentor?

Soul transfusion.

How much of Sara's soul was in the Pitt, and frankly since considering how dead she'd been for so long, why was her soul still tethered to her dessicated corpse that the Pitt could ponzy any of it?

It seems that since she was dead, that Sarah kept very little of her soul and her madness seen in Starling was because of the patchwork of 100s of murderous warrior kings driving the slither of her true self towards rabidness.

 

[Christopher]

Re: Constantine and the Flarrow-verse:

By now, shouldn't it be the Flarrowixentinemorrow-verse?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Flarrowixentinemorrowandmaybesupergirl-verse?

 

[Christopher]

I tend to assume that Supergirl is set on some other Earth in the multiverse, just as Jay Garrick and Zoom are from Earth-2.

 

[CorporalClegg]

^
Yup. I actually think that's why they're doing the multiverse stuff now. (It seems like the kind of thing a show would save for a later season.)

It's essentially a trapdoor in case SG falls off the CBS wagon.

It would also be a gateway to a whole new thematic theme where Kara is the only known Kryptonian and she's all alone--whereas in Earth Prime Clark's ship met a similar fate and, while he's on Earth, he could still be an infant.

I just find it hard to believe BerlantiCo. would commit to doing SG as if they didn't have some kind of backup plan in play.

 

[Christopher]

^
Yup. I actually think that's why they're doing the multiverse stuff now. (It seems like the kind of thing a show would save for a later season.)

It's essentially a trapdoor in case SG falls off the CBS wagon.

No, I think they're doing it now because it's such a fundamental part of the Flash mythos. The first season was built around time travel, so the multiverse is the natural place to go for the second season. After all, it was "Flash of Two Worlds" that established the DC multiverse in the first place -- and that was very early in the history of the Silver Age Flash, in what I think was only the 23rd appearance of the Barry Allen character. And what do you know, Jay Garrick's helmet first appeared in episode 23 of the series!

So I think they would've brought in the multiverse in season 2 anyway. It's just a bonus that it gives them a handy opening for a Supergirl crossover even with the clear differences between the worlds.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Flash can do what Supergirl cannot.

By going to Alternate Earths, Barry can meet the Supergirls of many Worlds, which hopefully includes animated Supergirl (Maggie from The Nanny) of JLU continuity, as well as the other two obvious choices.

(Molly Quinn (from Castle) and Summer Galu (from everything) were also Supergirl in a direct to dvd animated movie each, but there's no reason to go overboard.)

Oh my, there seems to be 5 "feature length" (50 minutes? Is that really feature length?) reasonable quality fanfilms in an ongoing fanfilm series about Supergirl.

(Youtube, youtube.)

"Oh god" it's Porn level acting shot in back yards and livings rooms.

Which is fine, if you accept that this is just civilians ####ing around, but if you're a filmsnob, don't bother looking.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYJsBiTwEWe5D_3getJtIzQ37Z-SXz0tP

 

[Gaith]

*Tom Welling waits impatiently by the phone, leather jacket at his side*

 

[Taylirious]

The Flash can do what Supergirl cannot.

By going to Alternate Earths, Barry can meet the Supergirls of many Worlds, which hopefully includes animated Supergirl (Maggie from The Nanny) of JLU continuity, as well as the other two obvious choices.

(Molly Quinn (from Castle) and Summer Galu (from everything) were also Supergirl in a direct to dvd animated movie each, but there's no reason to go overboard.)

Oh my, there seems to be 5 "feature length" (50 minutes? Is that really feature length?) reasonable quality fanfilms in an ongoing fanfilm series about Supergirl.

(Youtube, youtube.)

"Oh god" it's Porn level acting shot in back yards and livings rooms.

Which is fine, if you accept that this is just civilians ####ing around, but if you're a filmsnob, don't bother looking.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYJsBiTwEWe5D_3getJtIzQ37Z-SXz0tP

Molly Quinn!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Stana Katic played Lois Lane beside Molly in Superman: Unbound.

It's almost like the two Castle-Co-Workers had a Holiday together.

 

[CorporalClegg]

After all, it was "Flash of Two Worlds" that established the DC multiverse in the first place -- and that was very early in the history of the Silver Age Flash,

That doesn't mean anything. I'm sure there plenty of examples ere a show deviated from its source in favor of dramatic effect. Because nothing kills a show faster than premature escalation.

Stana Katic played Lois Lane beside Molly in Superman: Unbound.

It's almost like the two Castle-Co-Workers had a Holiday together.

And both Kevin McKidd and Justin Chambers were in Flashpoint Paradox.

 

[Christopher]

After all, it was "Flash of Two Worlds" that established the DC multiverse in the first place -- and that was very early in the history of the Silver Age Flash,

That doesn't mean anything. I'm sure there plenty of examples ere a show deviated from its source in favor of dramatic effect. Because nothing kills a show faster than premature escalation.

It means something in context. Yes, obviously many past superhero shows have diverged from their sources, but the producers of this particular show have demonstrated a profound affection for the comics and have already made heavy use of its tropes.

I mean, you could just as well argue that time travel and telepathic gorillas were too advanced to spring on the audience in the first season, but they did anyway, and it worked. Yes, past shows would have escalated more gradually, but that was then. Those shows have already laid the groundwork and primed the TV audience, so today's shows don't have to be so gradual or cautious. Indeed, part of what's so refreshing and distinctive about The Flash and Supergirl is how unabashed they are about embracing all the comic-book tropes and conventions that earlier shows tiptoed around. Berlanti's shows aren't playing by the old rules. Arrow did in its first couple of seasons, but The Flash opened the floodgates, and now they're not holding back anymore.