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Arrow/Flash Superhero Team-Up Spinoff In Works At CW

All I did was respond to Joe's post, which implied that these things no longer existed in Africa, by posing a couple of questions. I didn't express an opinion at all.

Your choice to misinterpret his point in such a disingenuously literal way does express an opinion -- an opinion that you're unwilling to acknowledge the reality and the problem of racial stereotyping. Joe was doing nothing so simple as to imply that those things no longer exist; that's a deliberately reductive misreading in order to ridicule the point rather than acknowledge and address it honestly. The point is not at all about their existence in Africa, it's about the virtual nonexistence of any other image of Africa in American media.

Here is what Joe said:
they had Vixen running past mud-huts while being chased by a Lion and a Zebra in what appeared to be 'Africa' ... in 2015.

That is certainly not an assertion that such things don't exist in Africa. It is contrasting those images of a primitive and wild Africa with the real-world fact that Africa in 2015 is as modern as any other part of the world. The point is not whether huts and lions still exist, the point is whether Western media is able or willing to acknowledge that African modernity exists. And by refusing to recognize that that's what this conversation is about, instead retreating behind the pretense that this is somehow about the existence of wildlife, you are making a conscious choice to attempt to avoid or trivialize a frank discussion of racial issues, and that absolutely does express an opinion.


I find it sadly humorous that lions and zebras in their native habitat are now symbols of political incorrectness.

If the people from your ancestral country consistently had their accomplishments and their entire civilization ignored by the world's media, if the place that defined your heritage and identity were constantly portrayed as if it had never gotten out of the Stone Age, if most people in the developed world had never even heard of your country but just thought of it as part of an undifferentiated, wild continent, maybe then you would not find it so humorous, or be so mind-numbingly blind to what we're talking about here.

Just because you don't understand how racism hurts people, that doesn't mean they're wrong to react badly to it. It just means you don't understand. Ignorance is not a moral high ground. You're not more right than us just because your perspective is narrower. And maybe if you tried listening rather than laughing, you wouldn't have such a hard time understanding.
 
I think that you're giving Joe's original post way too much credit for deep philosophical insight...and reading way too much malice in mine.

As for your posts, I guess I should be flattered that I'm worthy of so much sanctimonious wrath.
 
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Well, getting back to the show, it seems as if the plan is to run the series as an anthology with each season being a complete story and rotating the cast of characters each season. I bet that one or two of the leads will be consistent such as The Atom but I really like the idea that this show can seriously expand the DC universe. I would love to see a season that focuses on the mystical characters such as Constantine, Dr. Fate, and Zatanna.
 
Well, getting back to the show, it seems as if the plan is to run the series as an anthology with each season being a complete story and rotating the cast of characters each season. I bet that one or two of the leads will be consistent such as The Atom but I really like the idea that this show can seriously expand the DC universe. I would love to see a season that focuses on the mystical characters such as Constantine, Dr. Fate, and Zatanna.


A rotating cast would be cool. An all magic roster would be great, I'd especially want to see what the people behind Flash and Arrow would do with The Spectre and Phantom Stranger.
 
I think that you're giving Joe's original post way too much credit for deep philosophical insight...

No, I just understand what he was actually talking about, because I've seen the same problem in many other US productions (particularly in animation), and because I took African history in college and therefore know how absurd and dismissive it is to treat mud huts and wild animals as an archetypal image of modern Africa. It doesn't take "deep philosophical insight" to understand that hurtful racial stereotypes exist, it simply takes a willingness to observe and listen.


and reading way too much malice in mine.

Not malice so much as willful denial and avoidance of the issue.


Well, getting back to the show, it seems as if the plan is to run the series as an anthology with each season being a complete story and rotating the cast of characters each season. I bet that one or two of the leads will be consistent such as The Atom but I really like the idea that this show can seriously expand the DC universe.

There's an interview about the show (and the other shows) with Marc Guggenheim here:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/a...egends-of-tomorrow-and-agents-of-shield-comic

He confirms something I suspected but was uncertain of: That there's no plan to incorporate any footage from the short presentation film in the actual series. They did have a plan for the series in mind when they made the presentation, so it contains "parallels" to what they're actually going to do, but what we actually get will be different footage and probably different dialogue.


I would love to see a season that focuses on the mystical characters such as Constantine, Dr. Fate, and Zatanna.

Sort of a TV version of the Justice League Dark film they've talked about? That could be cool. Hmm... the FX team did reasonably well with Grodd, so I suppose they could manage Etrigan.
 
Well, getting back to the show, it seems as if the plan is to run the series as an anthology with each season being a complete story and rotating the cast of characters each season. I bet that one or two of the leads will be consistent such as The Atom but I really like the idea that this show can seriously expand the DC universe. I would love to see a season that focuses on the mystical characters such as Constantine, Dr. Fate, and Zatanna.
If they use Fate, I'd rather they spent a whole season stuck in the 30s or 40s with the Society.

Are the Watchmen stull under embargo? I think they'd work really well in the Arrowverse.
 
Well, getting back to the show, it seems as if the plan is to run the series as an anthology with each season being a complete story and rotating the cast of characters each season. I bet that one or two of the leads will be consistent such as The Atom but I really like the idea that this show can seriously expand the DC universe. I would love to see a season that focuses on the mystical characters such as Constantine, Dr. Fate, and Zatanna.
Oooo... Great way to bring back Constantine like they wanted to. Imagine that. Show gets cancelled and ends up becoming a season on another show. If it happens of course. And yes, I'd also like to see Dr. Fate.

As for the rotating cast, it sounds good as long as we don't get too attached to the ensemble.
 
I could see a magic cast season based around Constantine. They could go all in with the DC Magic users. The Phantom Stranger could maybe call on Constantine to stop an out of control/"off of his path" Spectre, which could lead to John putting together characters like Doctor Fate, Zatanna, Madame Xanadu, etc to fight him. Also, I'd love to see Detective Chimp with the magic people, but I don't think an expressive CGI chimp is really possible on a TV budget. None of this will probably ever happen, but I think the Flash/Arrow people could pull stuff like this off very well, definitely better than any rumored Justice League Dark movie could.
 
Are the Watchmen stull under embargo? I think they'd work really well in the Arrowverse.

Huh? The Watchmen have never been part of the DC universe. They're in a separate reality of their own, and they're mostly pastiches of Charlton characters who are now in the DCU, such as Blue Beetle (Nite Owl), the Question (Rorschach), and Captain Atom (Dr. Manhattan). So if the Berlantiverse (as one of the producers called it at SDCC, so I'm going with that now) were to use any such characters, they'd probably use the ex-Charlton characters themselves rather than their Watchmen counterparts.

And heck, there was enough furor from the fans when DC just did in-universe prequels to Watchmen. (Not to mention Alan Moore, who condemned the creative bankruptness of other people adapting his ideas into new stories, even though most of his career has been about adapting other people's ideas in new ways). I doubt that turning them into TV characters in an un-Watchmen reality would go over well. I can hear the "Watchmen Babies" jokes already.
 
I'd love to see Blue Beetle & Booster Gold pop up. Still not sure why Ted Kord got nixed last second for Ray Palmer, but they seem to have made it work.
 
Where is Africa? Do you Mean South Africa, maybe you mean Nigeria? Libya?

Starting to see the problem?

Oh, come on, be fair. I read his question more like "Are there no remaining tribal populations in all of Africa ...".

Yes there are tribal population various parts of Africa but so what? What was the last mainstream piece of work you can remember where the background of a character with an African connection *wasn't* tribal and didn't at some point feature people living in mud-huts or a war-torn landscape?
The only things I can think of are Charlie Jade, and District 9, which were both filmed, set and produced in South Africa with mostly white casts.
 
I don't remember the actor, but he has been on several shows I watch. My only familiarity with the characters comes from Hawkgirl on JL/U, and Hawkman on Smallville, but they seem like cool characters and I look forward to seeing them on the show.
I wonder if they are only going to use the Egyptian origin, or if they are going to work in some of the Thanagarian stuff to. Honestly, at this point I don't really see aliens being that far outside of what the Berlantiverse has already given us with time travel, resurrection and all of the Flash's meta bad guys.
 
Hmm, much as I've always liked Hawkman, I can't help but think this would take a lot of the spotlight off Hawkgirl on the show, which seems like it would be a shame.

And wow, between Hawkman, Hawkgirl, and The Atom, there's going to be a lot of people flying around on this show. It'll be interesting to see just how well they can pull that off on a weekly basis.
 
They've been married for what? 6 thousand years?

1. The Hawks are in love.

2. The Hawks hate each other.

Remember how you and your spouse were on the same league bowling team, and then still after you had a divorce, that fucker wouldn't #### off so you had to poison them?
 
Stein talked about "reincarnation" in the trailer.
I know that, I was just wondering if they were also going to bring Thanagar into it too. I was reading about the character on Wikipedia this morning and it said that in one version the Egyptian character found Thanagarian Nth metal. I was thinking something along those lines.
 
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