Never trust a vehicle were they tell you you're BETTER off being thrown from it at a high velocity rather than be strapped into/onto it.
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Never trust a vehicle were they tell you you're BETTER off being thrown from it at a high velocity rather than be strapped into/onto it.
I was going to just let this die off but...now it's turning into why you all think it's better to drive cars versus a bike?
For the record, the term "cage" was not meant in a derogatory sense. It's just a slang term for a car. If I'm in a group of fellow riders and I am letting them know I plan on driving instead of riding, I might say "I'm caging it." I don't know why everyone had to automatically take offense to it.
Yes, driving a car is more comfortable and slightly safer, but it doesn't offer the level of fun or freedom that a bike does, IMO. I love cars and I love to drive them but in a high traffic situation, I prefer my bike. I can use the HOV lane and I can split lanes to get through a traffic jam like no car can. Also, just because someone rides doesn't mean they're inherently more reckless and dangerous than someone who doesn't. I am always very cautious and safe on the bike. And remember, people die in car accidents too all the time and some accidents are more easily avoided on a bike than in a car.
Why not? If you consider the physics involved it would be far worse to be strapped to a bike in most accidents rather than be thrown free from it.
Also, kudos to doubleohfive for mocking my support and service to our veterans. Classy.
For the record, the term "cage" was not meant in a derogatory sense. It's just a slang term for a car. If I'm in a group of fellow riders and I am letting them know I plan on driving instead of riding, I might say "I'm caging it." I don't know why everyone had to automatically take offense to it.
Yes, driving a car is more comfortable and slightly safer, but it doesn't offer the level of fun or freedom that a bike does, IMO. I love cars and I love to drive them but in a high traffic situation, I prefer my bike. I can use the HOV lane and I can split lanes to get through a traffic jam like no car can. Also, just because someone rides doesn't mean they're inherently more reckless and dangerous than someone who doesn't. I am always very cautious and safe on the bike. And remember, people die in car accidents too all the time and some accidents are more easily avoided on a bike than in a car.
Why not? If you consider the physics involved it would be far worse to be strapped to a bike in most accidents rather than be thrown free from it.
Also, kudos to doubleohfive for mocking my support and service to our veterans. Classy.
doubleohfive
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Oh for fuck's sake.
I wasn't mocking your support of and service to our veterans. I have, actually, gone on record applauding you for it.
If I was mocking anything it was your own sense of entitlement and pretentiousness about it and how you lionize yourself for it, which to me undercuts whatever reasoning you might for doing it. Big diff there, sport.
Never mind that once again, as always seems to be the case in every one of these threads you start, you ignore all the legitimate criticism and points being made about whatever ridiculous situation you're all huffed up about in favor of getting one easy potshot in, regardless if you understand the context of what you're saying.
At least you're consistent.
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Amaris
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I don't see where that's happening. I think they're taking the piss, nothing more.
Because a cage signifies restraint; a lack of freedom. You even go on to talk about how much more "freedom" riding a bike has compared to a car. It's the idea that people in cars are too afraid, or don't know what it's like to be "free." It's rather condescending, in other words.
By "slightly," you mean that motorcycles have a fatality rate 30 times higher than that of cars.
While some accidents might be more easily avoided, the likelihood of dying from one is still far, far higher than that of an automobile. In short, whereas I may have a slight fender bender, by which I step out of the vehicle unharmed, you may have a "missing leg" and/or "neck."
Oh please, it was totally derogatory. You switched to using the term when you were annoyed and using the dreaded
. I didn't post and take offense to it, but don't act like people were conjuring meaning out of nowhere.
I recall that, but it's hard to take such a sentiment seriously when you later make comments like the one I was referring to.
If I was mocking anything it was your own sense of entitlement and pretentiousness about it and how lionize yourself for it, which to me undercuts whatever reasoning you might for doing it. Big diff there, sport.
Never mind that once again, as always seems to be the case in every one of these threads you start, you ignore all the legitimate criticism and points being made about whatever ridiculous situation you're all huffed up about in favor of getting one easy potshot in, regardless if you understand the context of what you're saying.
At least you're consistent.
I don't recall bringing up anything I do with VSO's in this thread at all. You were the one to bring it up. I also don't know where I've ever come across as pretentious or entitled when it comes to what I do because that is completely the opposite of what the group is all about. If I ever came across that was it was unintentional and I'll play closer attention to how I portray what I do in regards to those groups.
I will point out that earlier in the thread I did concede that others may be right and what I experienced was just the nature of the holiday shopping beast and that I shouldn't have gotten annoyed by it. That's the thing, though...I was simply annoyed. For some reason, any time I post about something that is mildly irritating but otherwise IMO an interesting topic, it becomes the general consensus that I am wildly enraged by said topic and that is the only reason I would post about it. Just because my thread topic may not meet the apparently high standards of being interesting that so many have and because I express displeasure about what happened doesn't mean it is ruining my day and that I'm just sitting there fuming until I can vent about it on the BBS.
It seems like you only drop by to post these types of threads though. Maybe you're posting in other parts of the board that I'm not seeing, but it feels like you just drop by every now and then to complain about something that's not really a big deal. If that's what we have to go off of, we're going to form certain opinion about you.
It's not what you say, but rather the "Can you believe the ridiculously stupid thing that this arrogant jackass did in front of me" attitude that you project with the way that you say it. You say that you are mildly irritated by these things, however we don't have the privilege of standing in front of you and interpreting your body language as a part of the conversation. All we have to go on is your choice of wording and sentence structure. You know that you are only mildly irritated, however, your statements to us come across as angry and condescending toward the other drivers and not as "annoyed"
In other words, the way you choose to write about it DOES come across to us as "it is ruining my day and that I'm just sitting there fuming until I can vent about it on the BBS" to use your own words.
No, you weren't.
Well, since you made it into "why it's better to ride bikes vs. a car"...
Sure.I have no strong feeling about it (except I find it quite weird), but calling yourself a "civilian patriot" for it is just... tacky.
Er.... that's sort-of the point I was getting at. I realize why bikes don't have seatbelts and the physics involved. Which is what I was getting at on why bikes are so "unsafe."
As for the "cage"/"cager" term being derogatory how you used it and the term itself sort of sounds derogatory. Because it implies a person is trapped/unfree in their cars. How could people not take offense to it by implying they're in a "cage" by being a vehicle that offers them the comfort and level of freedom they enjoy?
But nothing. No one can possibly be this clueless about how they will be perceived after starting the same kind of petty angry whining threads time and time again, so the only conclusion I can reach is that you must enjoy the attention, even if its always negative.
I couldn't care less if you ride a bike or not, and I doubt anyone else truly cares either, but didn't you kind of open yourself up to this line of discussion with the whole "cage" BS?
Right, and I suppose calling the guy a "jackass" wasn't derogatory either? He just reminded you of a friendly donkey which you were fond of from the petting zoo as a kid.
Give me a break, dude. Of course it's meant to be derogatory. It's not a big deal, but don't try and pretend there's no condescension behind the term.
No, but you personally have demonstrated a tendency to drive recklessly, ironically while in the pursuit of recording or loudly calling out the alleged recklessness of others.
He didn't mock your participation in Warrior's Watch, he mocked your self-aggrandizing title of "Civilian Patriot," which is frankly ridiculous. As is referring to your "service to our veterans," which is an odd choice of words in this context since it's borrowing from the description given to the veteran's own time in uniform. It's almost like you're placing yourself in the same category as them and their service because you hang out with them briefly and do a nice thing for them. It's like trying to be a wannabe veteran almost.
Could have fooled me, and apparently a lot of others here. You come across in your posts, in the things that set you off, and in your YouTube videos as someone who is prone to get angry very easily.
Isn't "splitting lanes" to get through traffic jams illegal to do or at the very least sort of dickish and dangerous?
Checking: It seems lane-splitting is legal in California but there seems to be a number of safety guidelines/laws regarding it. (Speed, conditions where it is okay to do so, etc.) Still strikes me as something dangerous, foolish and kind of ass-hatty to do.
It's OK when he's doing it. It's only the other folks who are assholes in cages.
It would be uncommon for me to actually put it in a parking space. Normally I just shove it somewhere near to the entrance to the shop, wherever it isn't going to be in the way.
My common sense and riding ability does that
Most definitely was. And most of the blowback you were getting is because you're the definition of a novice with the bike, and you've gone right to pretending you've been doing it 40 years. 'badass biker' Profile pic, telling us all about it and your warrior ride thing, you just can't help but fall into biker slang, etc. Dude, you've been riding the bike what, like 5 months? Forget, but it was sometime late summer, wasn't it? You're barely at the point where you should be trusted out on the road, not quite at the point where you should be bemoaning the 'cagers' and their lifestyle. At least own the bike long enough to change the oil once before you start forcing that, k?
It would be kinda like me insisting there's nothing wrong with me forcing a British accent because I was there for a week on vacation. Live there for 20 years, you'll probably fall into it a bit. On day 3, you're a poser at best. And you know it. It's an image thing, for sure, and it comes off as desperate for people to think you're one of the cool kids.
There's plenty of us who ride here, and every one of us has been doing it a lot longer than you. We're able to converse without going all Sons of Anarchy. I'm sure they're both recruiting you heavy, but have you decided on whether you're going to pledge Hell's Angels or Diablos yet?
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This is the only part I care to comment on.
In a vehicular accident, being "thrown free"--whether it's from a car by not wearing a seatbelt, or from riding on a motorcycle--is always a recipe for serious and often fatal injuries. I have friends who are (or were) paramedics who attest to this. "Unrestrained driver/passenger" tells them "bring a shovel to scrape someone's guts off the highway."
When it comes to motorcycles, if we're talking about a sudden stop it's not likely to make much difference whether you remain stuck to the bike when it hits something or get thrown from it. Either way, the rapid deceleration is applying so much g-force to your body it's going to at least break bones and quite possibly kill you. All you do by being thrown free is delay the impact for a couple seconds.
Hmm, well as somebody who rides every day, I can't think of many situations in which I would prefer to remain attached the bike, although I do acknowledge in many cases it isn't going to make much difference, especially if you have ploughed into the side of something.
But at least if you get thrown clear you have a chance of sliding off somewhere relatively safe, and motorcyclists usually wear clothing designed to deal with exactly this sort of eventuality. Remaining attached to the bike is going to grind at least one of your legs into mincemeat should the bike keep moving.
To make a proper determination though, we'd need to know what the most common kind of accident is.
But at least if you get thrown clear you have a chance of sliding off somewhere relatively safe, and motorcyclists usually wear clothing designed to deal with exactly this sort of eventuality. Remaining attached to the bike is going to grind at least one of your legs into mincemeat should the bike keep moving.
To make a proper determination though, we'd need to know what the most common kind of accident is.
doubleohfive
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It's definitely legal in L.A. and was what I was referring to upthread about my concern about accidentally hitting someone on a motorcycle who splits lanes if only because they can be incredibly unpredictable and literally shoot out of nowhere sometimes.
As for you Flux, believe it or not, I still think it's a good thing you do for the troops, no matter how much I might dislike or disagree with just about everything else you do, so there's that.
But as anyone who can use the search function can see, the well-established pattern of your threads is in full play here (again) and playing coy about it is just silly. For all the pomposity, insecurity, and overcompensation for some imagined sense of what "manliness" must necessarily need to be that you project in most of these threads, one would think given how many times we go down this same road you'd have learned by now. I mean, shit I'm a complete asshole sometimes but even I know when to back down, apologize and admit defeat when I've crossed the line.
In short...
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