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Are You Afraid Of Dying???
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I'm not afraid of what will eventually happen, my fear, I suppose, is how it will go down. Will it hurt? Will I be ready? (though who is) Will I be caught in some compromising position? Will I still be in there somewhere watching as my body is disposed of? Many many questions.
To quote Woody Allen, “I’m not afraid of death; I just don't want to be there when it happens.”
I hear he's fond of chess.
Angela 0077
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like l said before l would find it scary having to go into combat in a war zone.
There has been a few Australian soldiers killed over in Afghanstan and over in Irak.
The fighting over there would be hard not knowing if you are going to come out of there alive.
Also all the mountain terain and not know where they are hiding
i do understand in a way where you are coing form
i knew a freind who fought over in Veitnam and the things they seen were terrible
Not just coping wondering if you were going to come out alive but the things you see stay with you.
The man l am talking about would be in the army truck and coming across dead bodys bloated by being there for a while this effected him so much
he was a angry man and he used to be so volient because l what he went through
he once asked me why l was scared of him when l told him he seemed to change telling me what he had seen and like you telling me whether he would come home in a coffin.
This man was spat on when he returned from this war zone because poeple didnt believe that our aussie soldiers should have been there.
So like you said coping whether you are going to come out alive and also coping with the reactionss of how poeple will treat you.
Afraid of dying? No. If there's nothing afterwards, I'm fine. If there's something afterwards, I'll get to see Dad again.
Afraid of dying in pain? Yes.
I'm also afraid of dying before Hubby. I honestly don't think that I could go on without him alive and well. Fortunately(?) for me on that note, it's seeming that I'm paralleling my father, but at least 10 years earlier. Precocious little brat, that's me. At this rate, I'll be lucky to hit 65yo. One of many reasons I think Hubby is interested in enjoying life a bit more.
Afraid of dying in pain? Yes.
I'm also afraid of dying before Hubby. I honestly don't think that I could go on without him alive and well. Fortunately(?) for me on that note, it's seeming that I'm paralleling my father, but at least 10 years earlier. Precocious little brat, that's me. At this rate, I'll be lucky to hit 65yo. One of many reasons I think Hubby is interested in enjoying life a bit more.
Angela 0077
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My Uncle had cancer of the bowel and he was in alot of pain which would be so bad at times.
He would be given morhphin alot of the time in the end that would not help him.
They say in the end the the drug willl kill you because of the huge doses which are given.h
One thing l dont understand is why do we put down animals when tey are in alot of pain but we cant do the same for humans.
He would be given morhphin alot of the time in the end that would not help him.
They say in the end the the drug willl kill you because of the huge doses which are given.h
One thing l dont understand is why do we put down animals when tey are in alot of pain but we cant do the same for humans.
This is my own greatest fear, far more than dying.
When it comes to death, what I am afraid of is pain and uncertainty during the process of dying, not death itself. I realize this will make me sound like a kook to some people, but I have had a vision that reassures me of what the actual moment of death would be like, and in its proper time I will be very welcoming of it and very curious when it comes to going beyond what I saw at that time. (Joy and intense curiosity were the feelings I experienced most during that vision.)
I am not one to end my life ahead of my time, though, because of that attitude of curiosity. Oddly enough, having been cured of my fear of death makes me feel very confident and interested in living. In its own way, knowing that life in this world is not forever puts it all into perspective.
Angela 0077
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When my Uncle was suffering with his cancer he was on deaths door and didnt want to die.
he was telling my mum how he felt.
He also went out to the hospitol garden to die with is two daughters he didnt want to die in bed.
he was sure that one of the daughter was not there when he knew he had both of them.
He held there hands and let go.
I went past the spot he died and it was beautiful and knowing he was there at that time leaves a beautiful memery in a way.
he was telling my mum how he felt.
He also went out to the hospitol garden to die with is two daughters he didnt want to die in bed.
he was sure that one of the daughter was not there when he knew he had both of them.
He held there hands and let go.
I went past the spot he died and it was beautiful and knowing he was there at that time leaves a beautiful memery in a way.
I have been following your posts in this thread and agree with you 100%.
If you don't believe in an afterlife...and you turn out to be correct about that, then your end is eternal oblivion. You will no longer exist. I suppose that it is true that you won't KNOW that you no longer exist...but the idea of ceasing to exist just has to be scary for about anyone who is still alive. I mean, how could anyone not fear ceasing to exist? Everyone you love is lost to you. Every opportunity gone. Every hope forever denied. And then, only a few decades on into this giant thing we call 'eternity', everyone you ever knew or cared about will also be gone. No one will remember you. You will simply become part of the faceless billions throughout history who no one remembers.
But what about those who supposedly believe in the afterlife? As another poster pointed out, many of these folks claim to believe that heaven is so wonderful that they can hardly wait to get there. But even they fight tooth and nail to stay HERE. So I have to wonder if they REALLY believe in the afterlife, or only hope for an afterlife.
"Hope" for an afterlife seems to be the real answer. Because if a person truly believed in a place called heaven, where everything is wonderful and we have no more pain, troubles, and trials...why wouldn't everyone be trying to get there as quickly as possible? Why try to be healthy? Why go to doctors or work out or take vitamins or try to eat right? Why attempt in any way to prolong one's life? If heaven exists and it is so wonderful, why is it considered 'progress' that we have longer lives now than we did 150 years ago? Wouldn't 'progress' in that case be that scientists found a way to SHORTEN life and give us an express lane to heaven?
It is true that we can't avoid death and that there is no point in obsessing about it because to do so only ruins what time we actually have here.
But ceasing to existing? Having the part of you that is you become what you were before your birth? - completely oblivious to everyone & everything? To me, that is really scary. Much scarier than the pain involved in dying.
Pain is a horrible thing. No doubt of that. No one likes pain - no one wants pain. But at least with pain, you know you still exist. And with existance comes possibilities.
In death, there are no more possibilities.
PKTrekGirl--I don't think the existence of a survival instinct invalidates the idea that we believe and hope for an afterlife, as Christians. Such an instinct is part of our natural design. It gives us an appreciation for what we do have here. I expect that until my body gets to a point where I can't anymore and I am experiencing the signs that I did in my vision (or something equivalent), that I will fight for every moment. But I don't see that as lack of hope--I see it as a natural instinct we are created with.
One thing I believe is that we NEED the life we live here, in its entirety, to understand and appreciate what is to come, that we need to treasure these experiences very much. Not in the sense of being forgetful of what lies beyond us, but I do think this life is a gift too.
At least in my vision...I feel that it was God that helped me end my fight when it was time (I went from flat-out survival mode to being called away very suddenly--like a switch being flipped), and that I would not have without that "touch." I did not have any impression, during that experience, that there was anything WRONG with it being that way. I think we have our hope and our belief, but it makes sense that we would need help at the end. (AND the need for an outside signal also helps keep down the temptation of doing exactly what you said and trying to end ourselves prematurely.)
Such an instinct is part of our natural design. It gives us an appreciation for what we do have here. I expect that until my body gets to a point where I can't anymore and I am experiencing the signs that I did in my vision (or something equivalent), that I will fight for every moment. But I don't see that as lack of hope--I see it as a natural instinct we are created with.One thing I believe is that we NEED the life we live here, in its entirety, to understand and appreciate what is to come, that we need to treasure these experiences very much. Not in the sense of being forgetful of what lies beyond us, but I do think this life is a gift too.
At least in my vision...I feel that it was God that helped me end my fight when it was time (I went from flat-out survival mode to being called away very suddenly--like a switch being flipped), and that I would not have without that "touch." I did not have any impression, during that experience, that there was anything WRONG with it being that way. I think we have our hope and our belief, but it makes sense that we would need help at the end. (AND the need for an outside signal also helps keep down the temptation of doing exactly what you said and trying to end ourselves prematurely.)
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As I pointed out earlier, this is exactly why every culture has invented an afterlife. Fear of death is the most fundamental instinct we have. No person-- or any other animal, for that matter-- could function properly without it. Believing that death is just a change of address is just one way people have of dealing with it.
In the case of car accident, I neither decided to be unafraid (you can't decide that - it's down to glands and stuff) nor was afraid. Much to my surprise, actually.
Car suddenly implodes, and my thoughts went: "What the? Crash. Bad one. Oh." and that was it. No fear, no emotions at all. (Probably not enough time for the glands to pump the appropriate chemicals into the system).
Then, when being asphyxiated and crushed, just anger and desire to kill the fucker who put me there.
YES!
I'm not afraid of death though -that's just 'not being'.
It's the 'dying' part of it I'm afraid of; seen too many people lying there for weeks, in pain, depending on others for the most basic things -I could do without that!
I'm not afraid of death though -that's just 'not being'.
It's the 'dying' part of it I'm afraid of; seen too many people lying there for weeks, in pain, depending on others for the most basic things -I could do without that!
That's a faulty premise, that not fearing death must equal not going to doctors or eating right. I have work to do on this planet, raising my kids and keeping America safe for democracy. I have to be healthy to do that. That means eating healthfully, exercising when I can, and visiting the doctor when necessary. I can't work if I'm bedridden or in pain; I can't participate in family life if I am too ill to interact with them. Having no fear of death does not mean wanting to be broken down and unhealthy until you finally stop functioning.
Is it considered "progress" that people live longer? I suppose, but inherent in that idea is that you have a better chance of holding your grandchildren, or living your days out with medication that helps you manage chronic and painful conditions. If I wanted to shorten my life, I could do that at any time, without the help of modern science.
What having no fear of death means to me right now is that, when I come out of remission, I will not be chasing all over the country for the one doctor who can offer me a tiny glimmer of hope. What I hope it will mean to me then is that I have done everything I can to prepare my kids for life without me, that they can grow and benefit from my life's work, and not be traumatized by my death, and I can go home.
No it is something that happens to all of us .
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