No the Obi-Wan and the Jedi talked about him like they knew him,they were just confused as to how he could of had a clone army since he was dead for 10 years at that point.
Are the Jedi idiots?
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No the Obi-Wan and the Jedi talked about him like they knew him,they were just confused as to how he could of had a clone army since he was dead for 10 years at that point.
Which means , Dooku killed him 10 years ago and assumed his identity to make the order. He then used the name "Tyranus" to recruit Jango for his DNA to clone from.
"Balance" in the Force doesn't refer to an even amount of Jedi and Sith, or no Jedi and no Sith, it refers to a complete absence of evil, no presence of the dark side disrupting the Force whatsoever. Think of the Force as a completely peaceful and tranquil lake. Now throw a bunch of rocks into that lake. That's the dark side; it unbalances the Force and creates chaos.
",,unless a prophecy misread, we are seeing." according to Yoda.
Balance also could be: allowing good & evil time to rule.
The Jedi had the time, now the balance was to given for the Sith to rule as well.
Sure, you could think of it that way. I prefer to think of it the way Lucas described it, however.
No, Spielberg tells it that he asked Lucas to be allowed to direct one of the prequels, and Lucas kept turning him down. He finally relented on ROTS, and gave Spielberg some animatics to play with for the final duel. Spielberg had Obi-Wan and Anakin using the force to throw lava at each other. That didn't make it in, and I don't know what, if any of his other concepts, did.
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That's not "balance." That's Lucas trying desperately to backpeddle and rationalize his wretched writing. "Good" is not the default setting in the universe, especially when it's a completely subjective term. "Good" is every bit as disruptive to the balance of the universe as "evil" is. And the same applies to the dark side. Hell, several of the powers the "good" Jedi use are wholly evil, most notably their mind tricks. But it's okay, right, because they only use it for "good." Just like they could use force lightning or anything else for "good." But... not. Apparently.
I don't care how you try to slice it, everything about Star Wars is completely and utterly absurd. It's all just a huge little kid fantasy gone amuck, and trying to rationalize it as some kind of unquestionable brilliance that's utterly deep and meaningful is beyond insane.
The problem is the mixing of metaphors and philosophies. The Jedi are samurai and their philosophy is predominantly Zen Buddhist, and thus the Force is predominantly Zen Buddhist.
Lucas, however, introduced an element Manichaeist dualism into the mix with the Dark Side. This was probably done to simplify the narrative, make it easier for Western audiences to follow, and increase it's emotional impact.
With the prequels, Lucas tried to tone down the Manichaeism and play up the Zen, but didn't do a very good job. It's there if you actually look, though.
There is no such thing as good are evil, they are just points of view. There is no such thing as the Dark Side or the Light, there is only the Force. Rather, what is perceived as the Dark Side is the result of the emotional baggage and material attachments of the individual. The ultimate goal is to achieve enlightenment and thus become one with the force, this requires freeing oneself from all desire, including the desire to be free of desire.
Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin achieved this state before their deaths, becoming the Star Wars equivilant of Buddhas, something that few have been able to achieve.
Pretty much. You can see what Lucas was trying to do, but he didn't quite manage to pull it off. Perhaps if he'd taken a back seat and just managed the overall storyline and production, like he did with TESB and ROTJ, things would have been different, but eh, it's been four years since ROTS (
), no sense in getting all worked up about it now.
For an organization that to a great deal is similar to an intelligence service that was a major blunder.. they simply took the army at face value and apparently didn't investigate much. That was a serious mistake and it cost them dearly.
Well.. Anakin was like a kid and later like a brother to him. He has spent ages training him and defacto Anakin became family to him.
It took a great deal to convince Obi Wan that Anakin has fallen to the Dark Side and only the video of him murdering the young Padawans finally gave him the final push to deal with Darth Vader.
Yet when they met he still tried to get him back to the Light Side and when he nearly killed Padme he knew that all he did would be in vain. However Obi Wan is not a cold murderer.. in fact he is very compassionate and i believe he just couldn't deliver the killing strike on his own. Yes.. he cut his legs off but as i understand lightsabers they instantly cauterise wounds (much like every very hot object burns up tissue and closes it up) so this may not have been a killstrike either.
I always got the impression that he was genuinely surprised when Anakin caught fire but maybe glad that the fire would do the job he still couldn't do.
That's not balance, it's an extreme on one end. By any rational definition of the word, to achieve balance, you'd have to (from the POV of the end of the Old Republic) either increase the influence of the dark force users, or reduce the influence of the good...
i dont know if that is compassion... chopping off your friend's legs leaving him to lay face down on burning rock slowly catching fire... then picking up his lightsaber and walking off... while he continues to yell at you like a mad man on fire...
i guess Obi-Wan took the high road by not taking Anakins wallet or pissing on him to put out the fire.
Another moment in idiocy: I didn't like it when Revenge of the Sith revealed that Nute Gunray was still taking orders from Darth Sidious. Not only did Darth Sidious screw over the Trade Federation by goading them into an illegal occupation of Naboo but also, you'd think that eventually, despite the hood, they might recognize that Darth Sidious & Chancellor Palpatine were the same guy. I mean, shouldn't that send up an enormous red flag? "Dude! Why are you going to war with yourself? You're not using us again, are you?" I think it would have worked out much simpler if no one (except for maybe General Grievous) knew that Count Dooku was Darth Sidious' apprentice. Then, it makes Nute Gunray look a little bit smarter by demonstrating that he didn't know that he was falling for the same schtick twice.
Also, why did Senator Amidala suspect Count Dooku was behind the assassination attempt? After all, his rationale for trying to kill her--to ingratiate himself with the Trade Federation--is pretty convoluted.
Perhaps the more hawkish members of the Senate insisted on the use of the Clone Army, regardless of its questionable origins. At that point, it might be in the Jedi's best interests to install themselves as leaders of the army so they could control it and keep an eye on it.
Also, why did Senator Amidala suspect Count Dooku was behind the assassination attempt? After all, his rationale for trying to kill her--to ingratiate himself with the Trade Federation--is pretty convoluted.
Perhaps the more hawkish members of the Senate insisted on the use of the Clone Army, regardless of its questionable origins. At that point, it might be in the Jedi's best interests to install themselves as leaders of the army so they could control it and keep an eye on it.
