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Are Humans the first evolution of Intellegence on the Earth?

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I got to thinking that there have been many millions of years of critters that have been living on this planet and land animals have been around for hundreds of millions of years, could there have been some sorta intelligent critter evolved that we just haven't found the fossils of yet?

Seems kinda rare that we would be the first evolution of intelligence on this planet.
 
I got to thinking that there have been many millions of years of critters that have been living on this planet and land animals have been around for hundreds of millions of years, could there have been some sorta intelligent critter evolved that we just haven't found the fossils of yet?

Seems kinda rare that we would be the first evolution of intelligence on this planet.

I was just thinking along these lines the other day actually. With so much time since the appearance of life on Earth it seems at least possible that there could have been another intelligent species that has since disappeared.
 
I got to thinking that there have been many millions of years of critters that have been living on this planet and land animals have been around for hundreds of millions of years, could there have been some sorta intelligent critter evolved that we just haven't found the fossils of yet?

Seems kinda rare that we would be the first evolution of intelligence on this planet.

I'm not convinced we're intelligent - more like Speaking Apes then Homo Sapiens
 
Seems kinda rare that we would be the first evolution of intelligence on this planet.

Why?

The fact is there's only one intelligent species that we know of, which is us. So that's a sample size of 1. I don't think anyone is in a position to say what is our isn't likely so all we've got is the evidence, or in this case the lack thereof.
 
Seems kinda rare that we would be the first evolution of intelligence on this planet.

Why?

The fact is there's only one intelligent species that we know of, which is us. So that's a sample size of 1. I don't think anyone is in a position to say what is our isn't likely so all we've got is the evidence, or in this case the lack thereof.


It took humans roughly 20 million years to go from lemur like critters to cities and civilization, that is only 1/15th the amount of time we have had land vertebrates.
 
Seems kinda rare that we would be the first evolution of intelligence on this planet.

Why?

The fact is there's only one intelligent species that we know of, which is us. So that's a sample size of 1. I don't think anyone is in a position to say what is our isn't likely so all we've got is the evidence, or in this case the lack thereof.


It took humans roughly 20 million years to go from lemur like critters to cities and civilization, that is only 1/15th the amount of time we have had land vertebrates.

Right, but since we only have data on how it happened once, we can't say if that was above average, below average, whatever. Maybe that is the average length of time for evolution to produce intelligent life. Or maybe it isn't. Until we have evidence of other intelligent life, we simply don't know so there's no reason to assume that's "too long".
 
Or that this is the first "advanced" civilization. Modern humans are around 100,000 years old. Human history is 10,000 years. Lots of wiggle room.
 
The real question is, if there were another intelligent species on the planet, would we realize it?

Just how smart are dolphins, anyway?
 
Define intelligence. Dolphins are intelligent. Apes are intelligent. We are not that far ahead of them. We may be the most intelligent species on the planet so far, but we are far from the only one.
 
Define intelligence. Dolphins are intelligent. Apes are intelligent. We are not that far ahead of them. We may be the most intelligent species on the planet so far, but we are far from the only one.

I'm sure he means an identifiable technologically oriented civilization like our own.
 
Define intelligence. Dolphins are intelligent. Apes are intelligent. We are not that far ahead of them. We may be the most intelligent species on the planet so far, but we are far from the only one.

I'm sure she means an identifiable technologically oriented civilization like our own.

At the very least I would say any sort of creature capable of creating fire and using tools like spears etc...
 
If you mean Sentient-Industrial then we can only really be the first. If not then apart from the remains of previous species and Human ancestors we'd be seeing signs of various kinds of cities and primitive technologies, or at least the first attempts at manipulating nature the way we do only long before our industrial era.

But like the others have pointed out, many species on this planet are intelligent, the Dinosaurs lasted about 235 million years before their extinction? I'm pretty sure they didn't last that long without some level of sustained learning and adaptation. And even then it took a catastrophic event to get rid of them.

A lot of species even now have rudimentary gatherings, ability to learn and in turn teach others, primitive languages, some knowing how to use basic 'tools' etc. Possibly the emergence of the level of intelligence we possess.
 
At the very least I would say any sort of creature capable of creating fire and using tools like spears etc...

Lots of animals use tools. i just don't like the separation of humans apart from other animals, as if we weren't animals. We are.
 
I got to thinking that there have been many millions of years of critters that have been living on this planet and land animals have been around for hundreds of millions of years, could there have been some sorta intelligent critter evolved that we just haven't found the fossils of yet?

Seems kinda rare that we would be the first evolution of intelligence on this planet.

I am having some difficulty imagining how a fossil could prove intelligence. An artifact or something could do so, I guess. Also, I notice you go right to land animals, but as most of the planet isn't land, it seems at least as likely that if such a thing were to turn up it'd turn up on the seafloor, right?
 
Dolphins are the oldest intelligent species currently on the planet. Defining the first, though, probably depends on how you define intelligence. In any case, we're not the first. Dolphins are older, and elephants probably are too.

If the question is whether a technological civilization has evolved before, that's unlikely. A civilization that reached anywhere near our level would have had global effects that would be detectable in the fossil record -- pollution preserved in ancient ice, changes in carbon concentrations, evidence of climate alterations from ecosystem transformation, a geological stratum with anomalously high concentration of metals (brought to the surface by mining) and rare or artificial substances (from industry), etc. It wouldn't just be around where they lived, but worldwide.

As for nontechnological intelligences, as far as I'm aware, the fossil record gives no evidence of any animals with suitably large or sophisticated brains predating cetaceans, proboscideans, and primates. Birds have been shown to be relatively intelligent animals, but I don't think there's reason to believe they have self-awareness or ever have. And reptilian or amphibian brains aren't sophisticated enough.
 
Many years ago, Discover magazine had an article which discussed Dale Russell's speculation of Troodons evolving into sentient tool-users if they weren't wiped out by the mass extinction (supposedly Alvarez's asteroid strike) that cost us all the other dinosaurs (or those that didn't become birds).

You'll recall an episode of Voyager with a similar theme, this time postulating that hadrosaurs had actually developed warp-drive and left the planet a long time ago, seeding the far side of the galaxy with dinosaur descendents.

It's fun to speculate about such things. The fact of the matter is that we really haven't been around for that long, and we've been tool-users for less time than there have been hominids, so maybe there's plenty of room for intelligent amphibians in our past, dinosaurs, tool-using mammoths, who knows? The only problem with such fantasy creatures is ... there's no sign of them. No fossilized specimens with big enough brains, no spark plugs embedded in geodes (no, the Coso Geode isn't as old as it looks), no sign of a previous technological culture with the exception of earlier versions of h. sapiens.

That's not proof, of course. Fossils aren't easy to make in the first place, and we're finding new species of extinct animals in the fossil record every year. Furthermore, if a species evolved tool and fire-using intelligence, but never got beyond wood and bone implements, I doubt there'd be much trace of their artifacts after millions of years.

Right now, it's the stuff of fiction. I think it's unlikely to have happened, but that's not the same as impossible.
 
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