Are Critics going to "kill" Star Trek XI, regardless?
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I doubt it. I do think it'll flop though.
I don't think the end of Trek is near...some critics will like it, some won't. Personally I love critical reviews, but if it's a movie I planned on watching anyway...I still go no matter. But for some reason I really am drawn to harsh critical reviews...and I suspect I'm not alone...some of them are done right LOL funny.
As far as us here...we'll all go no matter what no matter what is written. As far as the OP's thought's on bad reviews leading to the end of Trek...I really doubt it. And harsh opinions for posters like us don't matter in the greater scheme of things in the real world.
Suppose ...worst case scenario the movie didn't do well, then I think tptb would advance forward to the post DS9/VOY time frame and pick the story up from there.
ST has made a ton of dough in the past...all it takes is one good story with memorable characters and it becomes a cash cow again...just like the Star Wars series.
As far as us here...we'll all go no matter what no matter what is written. As far as the OP's thought's on bad reviews leading to the end of Trek...I really doubt it. And harsh opinions for posters like us don't matter in the greater scheme of things in the real world.
Suppose ...worst case scenario the movie didn't do well, then I think tptb would advance forward to the post DS9/VOY time frame and pick the story up from there.
ST has made a ton of dough in the past...all it takes is one good story with memorable characters and it becomes a cash cow again...just like the Star Wars series.
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The critics will probably hate the film, but that seldom matters.
I'm confidant this movie will make money, regardless of whether it is any good or not.
Whether it is a modest hit or a massive one remains to be seen. To me, there is a lot going for this movie and the hype is building. Fantastic 4 was a terrible movie, but in terms of numbers - it was a "hit.
Whether it is a modest hit or a massive one remains to be seen. To me, there is a lot going for this movie and the hype is building. Fantastic 4 was a terrible movie, but in terms of numbers - it was a "hit.
Actually past Trek films have gotten decent reviews from respected critics. I'm thinking TWOK and FC and Rolling Stone and Time Magazine. So if it's a good movie, it should get good reviews.
The fans, OTOH, are more than likely going to have a negative impact on the film's success in some way, hopefully small. This film shows every indication of being some kind of reboot. Maybe large, maybe small. There is a very vocal group of fans who are absolutely unwilling to let go of the past and their consternation is already being felt in the fan community. Hopefully, this will only have a small impact on the views of the mainstream audience but it will affect their view of the film in some way.
In my opinion, it is ridiculous to bad mouth a movie before it's been released and even more ridiculous that there can not be reinterpretations of fictional characters in a world that has seen multiple Holmes, Tarzans, Bonds, Supermen, Batmen and Hulks.
The fans, OTOH, are more than likely going to have a negative impact on the film's success in some way, hopefully small. This film shows every indication of being some kind of reboot. Maybe large, maybe small. There is a very vocal group of fans who are absolutely unwilling to let go of the past and their consternation is already being felt in the fan community. Hopefully, this will only have a small impact on the views of the mainstream audience but it will affect their view of the film in some way.
In my opinion, it is ridiculous to bad mouth a movie before it's been released and even more ridiculous that there can not be reinterpretations of fictional characters in a world that has seen multiple Holmes, Tarzans, Bonds, Supermen, Batmen and Hulks.
Many fans will probably rip the movie a new one. But if we get lucky, and it's good, critics and word of mouth may paint the movie as a fun ride everyone should see.
Or maybe it'll just do respectable early summer business.
Or maybe it'll just do respectable early summer business.
Angry Trek fans don't have the power to kill a genuine pop culture phenomenon. If that's what Trek XI becomes, it will be safe. Normal people don't care about Nero's ears.
I think existing Trek fans will be the film's harshest critics and yet will ensure that it is at least a modest hit. If it gets bad reviews across the board from mainstream critics, that may keep the general public Abrams is counting on to make it a huge hit from making the leap into our universe. Hopefully the release date will not be cluttered with other genre films so Trek can have a nice big slice of the audience. I think curiosity about the new cast and look will bring some people in who don't consider themselves Trekkies.
I guess I think the opposite of most of you. I will not be surprised if this movie is well-reviewed, as most of Abrams' work is, but still turns out to be less successful financially than hoped for.
I could see the tomato reading at a good 70-80%, but also seeing it not sway the hordes of people who have already tuned trek out.
That being said, I do think word of mouth, if the movie is good, can save it from being a flop.
I could see the tomato reading at a good 70-80%, but also seeing it not sway the hordes of people who have already tuned trek out.
That being said, I do think word of mouth, if the movie is good, can save it from being a flop.
This is about where I'm at with this. Trek fans themselves will complain the loudest...but will still turn out.
I do worry about the mainstream movie-going public though. Trek is still considered to be a nerd thing...and I don't know if JJ and the new cast are enough to break the association (in the public's mind) that Trek is for basement-dwelling dweebs with no social skills.
I guess we will see.
Nothing will please critics more than using this opportunity to piss off the Star Trek fandom.
Thus we should diss the flick as much as possible.
IT'S AN ABOMINATION, raping my childhood, Quinto is NOT SPOCK! etc.
Thus we should diss the flick as much as possible.
IT'S AN ABOMINATION, raping my childhood, Quinto is NOT SPOCK! etc.
With the critical praise for (particular) comic book films recently, it is possible that critics might give it a chance.
Most of the critics will probably like it.
It will make money.
If this movie doesn't revive the "dynasty" (or whatever) then Trek just ought to be dead and stay dead.
It will make money.
If this movie doesn't revive the "dynasty" (or whatever) then Trek just ought to be dead and stay dead.
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Even if they hate the film, it will be better than them just phoning it in, like Ebert did with Nemesis.
Even if they hate the film, it will be better than them just phoning it in, like Ebert did with Nemesis.
Critics have been pretty fair about Trek over the years. Using the Rotton Tomatoes meter, in terms of positive reviews, the movies rank pretty close to where fans tend to put them by popularity: TWOK (92% positive), FC (91%), TVH (86%), TUC (84%), TSFS (77%), INS (56%), TMP (54%), GEN (51%), NEM (36%), and TFF (18%).
We know the movie's production values will be good. No doubt the FX will be stunning. From what we've seen from a fan's point of view, the actors seem to have their characters down well. It all comes down to the story. If it's entertaining, the movie may generate a buzz that surprises even the most jaded Trek fan.
As far as angry fans dooming the movie goes, if it's good it will create two new fans for every reactionary fan who stays home in his mother's basement out of principle.
And even if the reviews are so-so, you never know. Independence Day (1996) wasn't exactly a fave of the critics (only 62% positive reviews) but it grossed over $300 million in the US and $500 million internationally.
Buzz, buzz, buzz. It'll all be about the buzz. Will XI be a watercooler movie or not? And, that's like catching lightning in a bottle. Who knows?
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