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Spoilers Are Anakin and Darth Vader really the same person?

The Clone Wars show though, made this turn even more sudden.
I disagree, Anakin does a few questionable things in that series, and the Jedi Council does a few things to fuel his distrust against them, like not believing Ahsoka.
 
As Obi-wan said, it depends on your point of view.

That being said, my POV is that Anakin was Vader, and Vader Anakin. Anakin had already become Darth Vader when his fight with Obi-wan occured. He just went from a Sith to a mutilated Sith.
 
Vader on Mutafar is not the question. It is the transition from lopping off Mace's arm to him killing the Separatist leadership that is wavy. The scene prior to Padme's arrival has Vader crying a single tear. Like it was Anakin's last.
 
Vader on Mutafar is not the question. It is the transition from lopping off Mace's arm to him killing the Separatist leadership that is wavy. The scene prior to Padme's arrival has Vader crying a single tear. Like it was Anakin's last.


You mean Anakin/Vader's last tear. Anakin is Vader and Vader is Anakin. All Anakin did was give in to evil and adopt a new title. That's it.
 
Vader on Mutafar is not the question. It is the transition from lopping off Mace's arm to him killing the Separatist leadership that is wavy. The scene prior to Padme's arrival has Vader crying a single tear. Like it was Anakin's last.
It's an extremely strange transition in the film.
 
It's an extremely strange transition in the film.
I don't think so; it's a moment of sheer panic, followed by a desperate surrender. In that moment, when Windu moves to strike down Sidious, from Anakin's perspective Mace may as well be drawing a blade on Padme, so he just reacted without thinking. The reality and weight of it immediately sets in, and he's trapped. The justification and rationalization comes after the fact, as it often does. In that situation Anakin is a drowning may grasping for anything to keep himself afloat. Once he has a grip on Vader, he holds onto that idea as tightly as he can, because there's nothing else left.

There's no interpretation in this; it's all there on the page, and in Hayden's performance.
 
I don't think so; it's a moment of sheer panic, followed by a desperate surrender. In that moment, when Windu moves to strike down Sidious, from Anakin's perspective Mace may as well be drawing a blade on Padme, so he just reacted without thinking. The reality and weight of it immediately sets in, and he's trapped. The justification and rationalization comes after the fact, as it often does. In that situation Anakin is a drowning may grasping for anything to keep himself afloat. Once he has a grip on Vader, he holds onto that idea as tightly as he can, because there's nothing else left.

There's no interpretation in this; it's all there on the page, and in Hayden's performance.
I'll take your word for it.
 
There was, perhaps, a missed opportunity here:

After talking at length about his former Master—how perfect it would have been for Anakin to ask…

”So why did you kill him?”

Palpatine, would look a bit shocked.

Anakin smiles…”You say this to make me worry about Padme? In point of fact I never cared for her one jot.”

Less teen angst

All Saltburn.

That’s Vader.

“To Maul, you were a revolutionary—to me, a mentor. But like you, I too wear whatever face is required.”
 
None of that makes any sense. Anakin didn't know that Palpatine was a Sith at that point, much less that he was (presumably) talking about his own Master.
Even if he did; all he's thinking about in that moment is saving Padme. He's obsessed and the blinkers are firmly on. He's not considering context, consequences, or long term implications beyond "this thing make Padme not dead."

Every Sith goes into it knowing that the price of failure for Master or Apprentice is death. Every Sith thinks they can outwit the old fool if they only bide their time, and every Master thinks they're always 5 steps ahead of the young fool. That's just how it is. The reason that doesn't matter to them is because it's all about power. Who has it, and who can take it.

Anakin is who he is, and he's always had an ego the size of the galactic core. Of course he's confident he can handle Sidious. In his mind, he's already killed one Sith Lord, and the very one who trained his Jedi Master's Master no less. Hell, he holds onto the ego-maniacal delusion that he can beat Obi-Wan for *decades*, despite never actually doing it. No matter how many times Obi-Wan bests him, he's still convinced that he's better and next time he'll finally do it. We see it in AotC, in RotS, in the Obi-Wan show, in 'Rebels', all the way to ANH.
 
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Hell, he holds onto the ego-maniacal delusion that he can beat Obi-Wan for *decades*, despite never actually doing it. No matter how many times Obi-Wan bests him, he's still convinced that he's better and next time he'll finally do it. We see it in AotC, in RotS, in the Obi-Wan show, in 'Rebels', all the way to ANH.
Never? He does beat Obi-Wan in the Kenobi show. And it's not like someone would consider Obi-Wan unbeatable if they had seen him easily beaten by Dooku in AOTC.
 
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