Archer 4
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Retconned no doubt.
In "In A Mirror Darkly" it was suggested that 2 planets were named after Archer. So Archer 4 would be the planet seen in the ENT episode "Strange New World" with the hallucinative spores in the air thing.
In "In A Mirror Darkly" it was suggested that 2 planets were named after Archer. So Archer 4 would be the planet seen in the ENT episode "Strange New World" with the hallucinative spores in the air thing.
Here's a question for the trivia-heads in here: prior to ENT, was there ever any mention in previous series canon that the name of the first Enterprise captain was "Archer"? Or that there was a prominent captain at all, by that name, during the founding of the Federation? For some reason I keep thinking there was, but I have no idea if I completely imagined it.
Well now, you've hit on the very issue that made Enterprise so contraversial. As far as I remember, with the exception of Zefram Cochrane, and the reference to Robert April in TAS, there haven't been any 'big names' mentioned, least of all our intrepid explorers on the first Warp 5 vessel.
Then again, I could be completely wrong - my knowledge of TOS isn't as strong as it should be...
There was a Species 8472 took on the guise of Valerie Archer in VOY Season 5 "In The Flesh"
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Valerie_Archer
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Valerie_Archer
The thing is, Archer isn't merely a very common name, it is also a name with astronomical connotations - to the constellation Sagittarius. Most of the references to an "Archer" in the Trek universe are probably to somebody else than the NX-01 skipper, then.
As for the mural thing, that's of no real relevance: there's never been a mural that claimed to show all the ships named Enterprise, and indeed there never could be because there are bound to be dozens upon dozens of those. Several prominent ships have always been missing from those, while relatively obscure ones have been present. FWIW, the one aboard the E-E in ST:NEM did have Archer's ship there: perhaps the theme was "starships Enterprise from UFP Starfleet and elsewhere" as opposed to Picard's earlier "various ships that may or may not have been named Enterprise" or the TMP theme of "random seagoing, airborne and spaceborne vessels named Enterprise".
Oh, and as for those two planets named after Archer (as glimpsed on the "In a Mirror, Darkly" bio screen), the honor there is said to be unique. Big deal, Archie boy: Zephram Cochrane also has "planets" named after him, so we must deduce he has at least three...
Timo Saloniemi
As for the mural thing, that's of no real relevance: there's never been a mural that claimed to show all the ships named Enterprise, and indeed there never could be because there are bound to be dozens upon dozens of those. Several prominent ships have always been missing from those, while relatively obscure ones have been present. FWIW, the one aboard the E-E in ST:NEM did have Archer's ship there: perhaps the theme was "starships Enterprise from UFP Starfleet and elsewhere" as opposed to Picard's earlier "various ships that may or may not have been named Enterprise" or the TMP theme of "random seagoing, airborne and spaceborne vessels named Enterprise".
Oh, and as for those two planets named after Archer (as glimpsed on the "In a Mirror, Darkly" bio screen), the honor there is said to be unique. Big deal, Archie boy: Zephram Cochrane also has "planets" named after him, so we must deduce he has at least three...
Timo Saloniemi
I never really got pulled in to the "we never heard of the NX-01 Enterprise or Archer before so it's not canon" argument because I believe it can be explained away rather easily. The events in First Contact make it clear that Picard and Company screwed with the timeline in a pretty big way. They told Cochrane way too much about themselves and the future when they helped him become the most famous human in his day. So when they returned to the 24th century, it was an altered timeline. They are aware of it but no one else is. Cochrane, back in the 21st century, was so impressed and appreciative of what they had done for him and humanity, that while working with Henry Archer on the warp 5 engine, he strongly suggested that the first ship to use this engine would be named Enterprise. Being the first human to make first contact, TPTB allowed him this indulgence. He never told anyone his real reason for this choice.
So, during the timeline(s) before the events depicted in FC, Archer was likely captain of the first warp 5 ship but it was named something else. However, after the events in FC, Archer's ship was named Enterprise and he was part of the long history of ships with that name.
Unless you believe that FC was a predestination paradox... Uh oh!
So, during the timeline(s) before the events depicted in FC, Archer was likely captain of the first warp 5 ship but it was named something else. However, after the events in FC, Archer's ship was named Enterprise and he was part of the long history of ships with that name.
Unless you believe that FC was a predestination paradox... Uh oh!
i never got pulled in cos Ent it better and so if the rest of Trek wants to explain itself then it can feel free to anytime..
The problem with this theory is that the events of FC and ENT's Regeneration supposedly explains the events of TNG's Neutral Zone that happened before Q who. It was stated that outposts attacked by the Borg matched those that were attacked offscreen in Netural Zone BEFORE Q Who came out.
QFT
Actually, it isn't. The display case in Nemesis still only has the six Federation Enterprises. Nemesis did have a referance to Archer, though. One of the ships the Enterprise was supposed to join with to fight the Scimitar was the USS Archer.
How exactly does that work?
Those weren't all of the previous Enterprises, no.
Decker said "All those ships were called Enterprise." Not that they were all of the Enterprises. Big difference there.
For instance, the second aircraft carrier Enterprise - CVN-65, the one in use today - doesn't appear in this scene. Yet it obviously exists.
Indeed, none of these supposed collections of Enterprises has featured the exact same selection of designs; all have omitted some ships included in others. It's also likely that all have omitted some ships that nevertheless have existed. If not, the history of the name Enterprise is strangely discontinuous in the Star Trek universe, as compared to ours.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
That doesn't undermine T'Cal's suggestion - the events of Regneration always happened, they just involved NX-01 Constitution (Or Columbia, Bozeman, Yorktown, Invincible, feel free to make suggestions...).
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