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Approaching holidays...are we thinking the same thing?

Great Caesar's ghost, people. It's fricking OCTOBER! :wtf:

Can we at least wait until after Thanksgiving before we start bitching at one another about Christmas?
Preparing for something as major as "The War on Christmas" takes preparation. It's not the kinda thing that simply falls into place by itself at the last minute. It takes months of planning, and months of laying in supplies. If I didn't start now, I'd never get the Nativity-proof bunker finished in time.
 
Planning for Christmas 2012 for major retailers will begin no doubt around Janurary 2012, just as Easter 2012 began after Easter 2011 finished.
 
Quite true. And if you're a white male heterosexual Christian living in a Western nation, I'd say you can't really have it much better in this life, as far as accidents of birth/upbringing go. :lol:

Are you kidding me? Just the other day I went to Best Buy and they didn't have the $50 DVD set I was looking for. WHY ARE THEY SINGLING OUT WHAT I LIKE? And not only that but the other day I went to Starbucks with my laptop only to find that there were no free tables!
 
. . . The story I always come back to on this is, when we were little, I was in a school chorus in a school where I'd say the population was about 25% Jewish, 75% most likely some form of Christian (with Catholicism and Episcopalian dominant). So our chorus sang 2 Christmas songs and 1 Hanukkah songs. The way some people talk, you'd think singing a different song would burn your mouth out.

Not only did I survive intact--but I thought the Hanukkah song had the better quality music.
Well, of course. Everyone knows we Jews have a natural sense of rhythm. :p

. . .Now I'm a straight white man who comes from a middle class home. Oppressed is the last thing that I am. America is pretty much built for people like myself. There is, however, one thing that stands out: I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any gods and I don't believe religious organizations are at all healthy.

"But why ruin it for the rest of us?" you ask.

I'm not. You can go all Jesus Birthday loving in your home and in your church. But please keep it out of public places. I am continuously plastered with religious stuff all the time. America is a very, very, Christian country and that can be seen in almost every aspect of American life. So please, please don't make it even worse come December.
Being offended or disturbed by the mere presence of religious symbols in public places strikes me as petty and immature. “There’s a Nativity scene in the mall, and I can’t walk past without seeing it!” It’s that kind of chickenshit whining that gives us atheists a bad name.
 
I object to religious displays in government or tax-funded spaces. That includes regulation of how people choose to decorate their work areas.

As far as businesses are concerned, obviously they ought to do what they think is in their best interests in terms of attracting customers or clients. If hanging big "Merry Christmas" banners in the shopping mall will make them more money, that's their business. If OTOH instructing employees to say "Happy Holidays" or whatsitz is something they're convinced works for them by not alienating some group or another then their people damned well better do their jobs and greet customers as directed. All of that is not properly my concern.
 
Being offended or disturbed by the mere presence of religious symbols in public places strikes me as petty and immature. “There’s a Nativity scene in the mall, and I can’t walk past without seeing it!” It’s that kind of chickenshit whining that gives us atheists a bad name.

It's not being offended or disturbed, it's just yet another reminder that I'm expected to be Christian.
 
Just use the greeting at the end of this clip and you'll cover all the bases.

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Just use the greeting at the end of this clip and you'll cover all the bases.

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I could actually see reality getting that fucking stupid. That said it was funny. Man, sometimes I miss Air Farce, when it was good.
 
"Reality" is that bitching about not being able to put up decorations is as inane as the story in the Air Farce skit. I've noticed that you never replied to the people who suggested you spend your time sharing the "Christmas spirit" in a more productive manner by volunteering at a charity. Why is that?
 
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By the by, when sharing the spirit of the season, if you give canned food to a canned food drive (or put it one of the local food barrels), please give something other than canned corn and canned green beans. Please. I like to throw in ravioli, spaghetti O's, chili, hash, cream of mushroom, chicken noodle, things like that. You know, stuff people can eat and enjoy. Don't get me wrong, corn and green beans are good, but it seems most people like to throw that into the barrel, along with canned spinach. If it's because of price, I understand. So, I wait until the 10 for 10 savings deal at Kroger, then I buy cans of the really good stuff for cheap.
 
Being offended or disturbed by the mere presence of religious symbols in public places strikes me as petty and immature. “There’s a Nativity scene in the mall, and I can’t walk past without seeing it!” It’s that kind of chickenshit whining that gives us atheists a bad name.

It's not being offended or disturbed, it's just yet another reminder that I'm expected to be Christian.
Right, it's the societal presumption that we are (or should be) Christian. That's what's really offensive: Not the symbols themselves, but the lack of consideration for others that's sometimes exhibited in their use.
 
I don't mind it so much in the mall. It's when my local City Hall puts one out on the front lawn, and pays for it with my tax dollars. The Government is supposed to be "Of (all) the People, For (all) the People, and By (all) the People".

There is nothing wrong with expecting Government agencies to refrain from promoting a particular religion. "Happy Holidays" works just fine to greet taxpaying citizens without implying in the process that they are not valued because they don't share some non-official (per the Constitution) faith.

And the victims' cry of "War on Christmas" is bullshit. It's about equality.
 
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Being offended or disturbed by the mere presence of religious symbols in public places strikes me as petty and immature. “There’s a Nativity scene in the mall, and I can’t walk past without seeing it!” It’s that kind of chickenshit whining that gives us atheists a bad name.

It's not being offended or disturbed, it's just yet another reminder that I'm expected to be Christian.
Right, it's the societal presumption that we are (or should be) Christian. That's what's really offensive: Not the symbols themselves, but the lack of consideration for others that's sometimes exhibited in their use.
As an atheist Jew, I'd like to hear specific examples of this "lack of consideration" and this supposed "presumption" that we all ought to be Christian. Please enlighten me.

I don't mind it so much in the mall. It's when my local City Hall puts one out on the front lawn, and pays for it with my tax dollars. The Government is supposed to be "Of (all) the People, For (all) the People, and By (all) the People".
You have a legitimate complaint if your city hall is actually putting an explicitly religious display on public property at taxpayers' expense. That's clearly unconstitutional.
 
As an atheist Jew, I'd like to hear specific examples of this "lack of consideration" and this supposed "presumption" that we all ought to be Christian. Please enlighten me.

First we need to discuss what the hell an atheist Jew is. That's like saying you're a female male. It doesn't work.
 
"Reality" is that bitching about not being able to put up decorations is as inane as the story in the Air Farce skit. I've noticed that you never replied to the people who suggested you spend your time sharing the "Christmas spirit" in a more productive manner by volunteering at a charity. Why is that?
I suppose spending time at senior residences doesn't count.

As for bitching I can't recall the last time I've seen so much vitriol and latent anger spewed. Before some around here start taking shots and making assumptions about someone who is just stating an opinion why don't you try looking into your own hearts.

And where is it written in law that only non-whites have exclusive right to bitch about something they don't like? If "freedom of expression" is to mean anything than it has to apply to everyone and anyone who sees something they don't agree with.

There's also a lot of accusations of pushing religion in someone face and not wanting to see religious symbols on display. That's bullshit. No one here advocated displaying crucifixes or nativity scenes or Jesus statues in a public or retail space. Unless, of course, you consider fake snow, some garland and maybe a wreath or snowman as religious symbols.

For the record, just on the small chance that anyone really gives a shit, my inquiries have revealed a little something about my company's policy on this issue.

Firstly, a lot of us at work and in other stores were misinformed on one point: someone was putting across the impression that no Christmas decor was allowed even in non-public areas such as lunchrooms and offices and such. Well after speaking yesterday in person with our District Operations Manager it appears that there is no such "standard operating practice." We are perfectly free to decorate areas not accessible to the public if we so wish. A lot of us at work were glad to have that clarified. Too bad no one cleared that up for us when this all started three years ago.

Secondly, we have a 25ft. Christmas Tree that is taking up space in our warehouse and yet we can't use it. Our District Operations Manager made an excellent suggestion and one we are making an effort to act on: instead of just disposing of the tree we're going to donate it locally. My General Manager's first idea was to donate it to the local shopping mall with the request of there being a small sign informing passerby's from where the tree came from. I'm thinking the mall has its own decorations. I said I think we should use that as a last resort. Rather I suggested we try to find a local shelter or institution that helps those less fortunate or even a church or school that could use the tree. I think that would be a better course of action.

Thirdly, the rationale as to why they won't allow decorating of the sales floor sounds awfully bogus to me. It was explained that Head Office actually liked their stores to decorate, but it was felt that "some" stores were doing a consistently piss-poor job of it and HO were just fed up with trying to get things done better. And this despite the fact that most other locations were doing a favourable to excellent job of it. So it was decided "to hell with it" no one decorates and they'll just ship out more holiday signage for a more "consistent" look from store-to-store. They felt that was sufficient decoration. I countered with the opinion that said "holiday signage" is not Christmas decorating but simply more obvious company advertising with some red-and-green colouring thrown in. "Don't Pay For 90 Days" or "Always Get It For Less" simply done a little more colourfully is not heartfelt decorating.

As I said I think this is a bogus excuse. Our District Operations Manager may actually believe it, but it doesn't wash. It's like saying one or two employees out of forty are abusing their break periods and so everyone has to be disciplined. It just doesn't sound right.

But what do I know---I'm just a privileged blue collar white male.
 
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