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Appreciating classic film....

Oh heavens yes, TCM! I found a lot of good, older movies there over the last year or so. Lillies of the Field, Now, Voyager, The Miracle Worker, Witness for the Prosecution, The Lost Weekend, In a Lonely Place, The African Queen...

Sadly, I have tons of stuff still recorded on the TIVO just sitting there. Stuff I get to review is taking precedence and I just don't have time to get to everything. I know War of the Worlds is on there, The 39 Steps, The Birds, The Boys in the Band (from 2007...), some Harryhausen movies, for instance.
 
One of the odd things I've noticed about some early sound films from the late '20s and into the '30s is how oddly flat the actors sound. By that I mean they often don't appear to have much inflection or range of emotion in their speech. And some are of these are quite good actors. I don't know enough about the audio tech of the era, but I suspect it tended to flatten the actors voices as well as perhaps make some of them sound higher pitched.
Audio recording/reproduction tech was a good deal more primitive in those days, particularly in the (to our ears much narrower) frequency ranges it was able to cope with.

However, I think also that some of that perceived flatness is also a result of a stylistic difference in acting techniques, some no doubt related to the limitations of the recording equipment, but in addition reflective of a general approach at that time to acting and public speaking. (Think of some of the recorded political speeches and radio broadcasts from the same era - the '38 War of the Worlds presentation would be an example.)
 
They played every Andy Hardy film last thansgiving day. I recorded them all. The only Hardy film I'm missing is a short called Andy Hardy's dilemma. It was a public service film about the red cross, or something like that. Hope they play that one so my collection can be complete.

I have a huge collection of classic films. Cagney, Bogart, Robinson, Jimmy Stewart, Chaplin, John Wayne, Bob Hope, Gable, Spencer Tracy, Gary Cooper.... I've got them all. My friends use to say I was born 30 years to late. There are many reasons why I love older movies over the newer ones. I think I like the comedies better because they can be funny without resorting to poop jokes. Classic movies just have more class.
 
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I don't have cable, but whenever I get the chance I watch TCM obsessively. It's the best place for me to find classic films made before 1975 that I haven't been able to see easily. William Wyler's The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) came on a year or so ago, and it blew me away. I can't believe that a movie like that could have been made in the wake of World War II.

In general, I love a lot of older films. Sure, like foreign films, only the best of the best survive in the United States in this era, but even those are unfairly dismissed by a lot of my peers (I'm a film student finishing my undergraduate degree).
 
I watch TCM on occassion.

What is really frightening is how many of the movies mentioned I've seen...BEFORE TCM came about.

Remember, when there were fewer movies than we have NOW before they become classics, they were shown more regularly on the few stations we had LOL so I've seen most of the ones mentiuoned.

But I have also pulled many a late night on TCM.

Thanks for all the memories this has brought back.

And I LOVED the link on the stars who served, but Jimmy Stewart got short changed. He stayed in the Air Force reserves and was a General when he retired. I got to see his "auto signature" block while I was in the AF...didn't get to get a print out, but a friend showed it to me.
 
I forgot William Powell. He made some GREAT movies. He was not just the "Thin man".
 
I'm 25 and a film school grad (which would explain why I'm now looking for a job). :)

Needless to say, I enjoy watching old movies, though I think I'm too picky sometimes. I like some genres more than others.

If you ask me who my celebrity crush is right now (other than Scarlett, Ms. Aguilera, and Catherine Bell), I'd probably say Barbara Stanwyck circa 1941 when she did The Lady Eve and Ball of Fire.

I am also indebted to my parents for introducing me to the Marx Brothers, Laurel & Hardy, and the Three Stooges when I was younger.

I also enjoy The Thin Man, Casablanca (who doesn't?), Citizen Kane, Dr. Strangelove, The Great Escape, and many others. I did NOT like Bringing Up Baby but I did enjoy Arsenic and Old Lace and His Girl Friday.

As for present-day movies, I've got Mission to Mars playing in the background on the TV. Why? I have no idea. It's just a stupid, badly-acted, inept piece of shit, with DePalma ripping off Kubrick instead of Hitchcock. And don't get me started on the droning Ennio Morricone score! (But other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?) :)
 
I recently watched Phffft! with Jack Lemmon and Judy Holliday and laughed myself silly. Lemmon was great at generating laughs and I felt something of a fascination for Judy Holliday whom I only dimly remembered. She was a great comedic actress (very cute, too) and what a damned shame she died so young.
 
I love film, and don't really discriminate as to age, country of origin, or technical quality.

I think the appreciation for classics, is only in part based on genuine differences in the way things were done way back when. The most obvious thing about the classic films that we watch nowadays are that they are filtered. Current cinema is a case of everything all at once, the good, the bad and the ugly. But the dross has been filtered out of those old movies from a bygone age. All we get now are the memorable ones, the ones with lasting impact.

I do believe there is one area where there is qualitative difference. That's in comedy. Comedies now seem to be aimed at the lowest common denominator, with a plethora of fart gags and gross out moments, and they all follow the same decrepit formula. Gone are the days of variety, wit and intelligence. I grew up with the grossout comedies of the day, the Carry Ons, but they were just a small piece of a laughter jigsaw, which had slapstick, screwball, romantic, satiric, and countless other pieces. There's nothing like the elegance of an Ealing Comedy anymore.
 
^^ I agree that the dross is forgotten. We look bask wistfully because we focus on the good memories and forget the rest. The same will happen down the road when others look back to these times--the good and great will be recalled fondly and treasured while all the crap will be properly forgotten.

I also agree wholeheartedly in regards to comedy. It used to be relatively easy to find a decent comedy to go see, but it's been ages and and ages since I was interested in a comedy at the movies. The only movies that make me laugh now are the animated Pixar and Dreamworks films. Live-action comedies have become piles of endless lowbrow crap.
 
I have a huge collection of classic films. Cagney, Bogart, Robinson, Jimmy Stewart, Chaplin, John Wayne, Bob Hope, Gable, Spencer Tracy, Gary Cooper.... I've got them all.

You and I are gonna have to talk separately.

I'm not sure what you mean by a 'huge collection'. Are you talking about commercially released DVDs only, or films on DVD-R? Based on your comment about Andy Hardy, I assume the latter.

If you have a large collection and trade in obscure stuff like I do, we should swap lists or something. ;) I'm always looking for hard-core collectors to trade with.


I don't have cable, but whenever I get the chance I watch TCM obsessively. It's the best place for me to find classic films made before 1975 that I haven't been able to see easily. William Wyler's The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) came on a year or so ago, and it blew me away. I can't believe that a movie like that could have been made in the wake of World War II.

Personally, I think The Best Years of our Lives is one of the best war-related films out there. It effected me for days after I saw it for the first time....the struggles of those guys coming home from war....

Fredric March, Myrna Loy, Dana Andrews and Harold Russell all did a tremendous job in that film!
 
I also agree wholeheartedly in regards to comedy. It used to be relatively easy to find a decent comedy to go see, but it's been ages and and ages since I was interested in a comedy at the movies. The only movies that make me laugh now are the animated Pixar and Dreamworks films. Live-action comedies have become piles of endless lowbrow crap.

Unfortunately I have to mostly agree, although I'll jump in before Kegek gets here and reccomend Thank You For Smoking as a rather decent live-action comedy made in the past five years.

And say what you want about Judd Apatow's factory of comedy, but a lot of his work has more intelligence and wit than everything else that passes for 'comedy' on film these days. Not all of his work, mind you, but a lot of it.
 
When I watch many WWII era films, I am continuously reminded of how much our culture has changed (for the worse, I believe) when it comes to the idea of serving one's country. Back then, young men couldn't stand not being able to sign up for military service in WWII - it was an embarrassment to NOT sign up.

Now? Most American men (and women, for that matter) see the defense of this country as someone else's problem. Serving in the military is no longer seen as a duty - it's seen as a method of escape from a life of poverty or a way to go to college on the cheap.

I have a feeling that if America were to find itself fighting a moral war against a real threat young people would be lining up to join.

Hasn't happened since WW2... well.. MAYBE Korea.

Furthermore, the fact that the US had to impose a DRAFT to fill its ranks gives the lie to your entire argument.
 
When I watch many WWII era films, I am continuously reminded of how much our culture has changed (for the worse, I believe) when it comes to the idea of serving one's country. Back then, young men couldn't stand not being able to sign up for military service in WWII - it was an embarrassment to NOT sign up.

Now? Most American men (and women, for that matter) see the defense of this country as someone else's problem. Serving in the military is no longer seen as a duty - it's seen as a method of escape from a life of poverty or a way to go to college on the cheap.

I have a feeling that if America were to find itself fighting a moral war against a real threat young people would be lining up to join.

I don't.

And I say that as someone who was opposed to us invading BOTH Afghanistan and Iraq from day ONE.

I think they'd have to reinstitute the draft to get kids to go. Because very few people understand the concept of taking personal responsibility any longer. Not these kids today - not even their parents, who expect teachers to raise their children for them and who get in fist-fights with other parents at soccer games because they haven't bothered to each their own kids good sportsmanship.

I have a girlfriend here at work whose sister is in the American military. The girl signed up of her own free will because she wanted to go to college on the cheap. At first, they gave her some easy assignment and everything was just great. She got paid just for essentially showing up every day. Life was good and my friend here at work laughed about what an easy gig her sister had - free room and board, a salary, and a workday that consisted of about 1/2 hour filing and 4 hours surfing the internet before she snuck out and did as she liked for the rest of the day.

But when the time came for her to go to Iraq, she didn't want to go, and tried her hardest (not that it did any good) to get out of the military. And my friend sat here and told me how her family was supporting her in this effort and trying to help her get out of the military and, from where I sat, avoid what she agreed to DO when she signed on the dotted line....in which case, someone else's child would have to go in her place.

Now, she was NOT trying to get out because she opposed the war or anything like that. From what I could tell, she knew diddley-squat about the war, and cared about the morality of it not at all. No, she wanted to get out because 'she had only signed up to get the benefits'. And she was SHOCKED to discover that she might have to actually DO something to earn those benefits. That she might actually get an assignment that was *gasp* dangerous. In the frakkin' U.S. MILITARY!!! :wtf:

THIS is the sort of mentality we are dealing with. "I'll stick with it as long as it's benefiting ME...but the minute it costs me something, all bets are off."

Now sure, I think there is a core of young men and women who understand patriotism and defense of country...but I think many of these sorts of individuals come from families with that tradition. And from families to teach their kids values such as honor and duty and honoring one's promises and sticking with something, even if you don't 'like it any more' because it's the right thing to do.

But many of the volunteers we get these days are not signing up for that reason - they don't give a fuck about America. They are looking for some sort of free ride for themselves - for their own education or whatever. It's not about the USA. It's about John or Jeanette Doe. It's no longer what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you....preferably with as little work or actual danger as possible. Some of the time, once they actually get in, the military molds them and forces them to take some personal responsibility and they turn out okay - and even better for the experience. But going in? Nah.... Very little in the way of personal responsibility or commitment to anything or anyone other than themselves.

And if it's that way now (and for the past decade or so), it's not likely to change if we got into a 'moral war'. Because these sort of people don't care about 'moral' or 'immoral'. They care only about themselves.

For many young people today, they think that everything is coming to them. We have such a sense of entitlement here it is incredible. It shows in the kids coming out of college and entering the workplace. They don't want to pay dues like the rest of us did. They think everything is coming to them. They don't want to work hard like we did in entry level positions, grinding away 80 - 100 hour weeks in public accounting to earn our stripes. Instead, they leave us (their managers) to do their jobs late into the evening because they have social engagements. :rolleyes:

And yes...as a manager I have had it happen to me more than once, so I know.

If we did that back in the day when we were coming out of school, we'd have no job on April 16.

But now? The kids are ALL that way, so it doesn't do any good to fire them, because the next one will be just as lazy and unwilling to pay their dues as the last.

No...I'm sorry, but I have very little faith in the work ethic of this generation of kids - I've seen way too much of way too little from them.

And if they are unwilling to put in their time at a regular job because it cramps their social style...then I highly doubt the needs of their country are anywhere close to their list of priorities.
 
But now? The kids are ALL that way, so it doesn't do any good to fire them, because the next one will be just as lazy and unwilling to pay their dues as the last.

No...I'm sorry, but I have very little faith in the work ethic of this generation of kids - I've seen way too much of way too little from them.

And if they are unwilling to put in their time at a regular job because it cramps their social style...then I highly doubt the needs of their country are anywhere close to their list of priorities.

We're not all bad! I sit here at home firing off my CV, covering letters, application forms because I want a job but no one wants to give me one at the moment. It drives me mad sitting here doing nothing. I wouldn't mind being a receptionist/admin assistant/whatever, just so long as I was earning some money and paying off my overdraft/student loan.

I wouldn't join the military and go to war though, but that's because morally I don't agree with war. That's a whole other thread though!

here's nothing like the elegance of an Ealing Comedy anymore.

You are too right. I love 'Lavender Hill Mob'.
 
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