Anything You Would Improve Upon?

[Warped9]

TOS - When it really comes down to it I would have liked few things out of TOS.
- a little more screen time for the secondary characters.
- finish the other side of the Enterprise filming miniature.
- could we see a couple of alien Starfleet characters other than Spock. A few other Vulcans would have been acceptable too.
- a couple of different designs for other starships. Perhaps some kitbashing for "The Doomsday Machine," "The Ultimate Computer," "The Omega Glory" and "The Tholian Web." Something.
- a little extra rewriting for some third season episodes.
- a woman in a command position, be it a starship or a starbase or Starfleet Command.

TAS
- A little rewriting for some of the episodes.

TMP
- inject a little more character drama and tension.

TWOK
- a little rewriting for fewer logic flaws and better uniform designs.

TSFS
- a little rewriting for fewer logic flaws.

TVH
- scrap the whole thing and come up with something better.

TFF
- a lot of rewriting. Reign in the humour. Some better F/X.

TUC
- a little rewriting for fewer logic flaws.

TNG
- a better actress for Tasha Yar.
- some rewriting for episodes in first two seasons.
- develop Troi more smartly and a lot less annoying.
- develop Wesley more smartly and less annoying.
- let Worf be right once in awhile. He's supposed to be the fucking Security Chief.
- develop Data more smartly. He had already been among humans for many years before he's on the 1701D and he should have already had a better understanding of humanity.
- more friction between main characters.
- use some alien sounding names for Starfleet starships.
- less technobabble.
- jettison the last two or three seasons.

TNG films
- all of them were a waste of time. I'd scrap them all.

DS9
- wait till TNG runs its course then introduce DS9.
- shorten the Dominion war arc.

VOY
- wait till DS9 runs its course than introduce VOY.
- decent series idea but horribly executed. Scrap it all and rethink it more smartly.

ENT
- another potential idea horribly executed and thrown away for something bland. It was essentially VOY redressed.
- forget the Temporal War. Forget the Romulan war.
- make the science and tech more "primitive." Forget phase cannons and photonic torpedoes. NO TRANSPORTER.
- jettison the NX-01 design and use the ringship design as Matt Jefferies had originally designed it, as an early exploratory starship.
- if you do Romulans than NO CLOAKING TECH.
- no Earth Starfleet. Make it something else.
- essentially try to avoid doing what you've already done. Make space wild and remote and dangerous again.

ST09
- do a genuine reboot that still respects its origins in sensibilities rather than a half-assed, cliche ridden piece of crap.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ What do you mean, *forget* the Romulan War? I'd base an entire SERIES around it.

 

[Cheapjack]

TOS

1.) Given that TOS established that a lot of aliens look just like humans, have the majority of the officers and crew be aliens, minimal make-up and single line in one script and shazam a multiple species crew.

2.) Increase the strangeness factor on the Vulcans, Amok Time did a fair job of this, give Stonn two existing wives with T'Pring wanting to be the third, They live 250 years and have sex every 7 years, the average family has 25 children, the reason they send them into the desert on the kas-wan is because they want most of them to die.

3.) Set it farther in the future than the 23rd century, more room for back story.

TNG

1.) Worf, same as the Vulcans. Rub our noses in just how different Klingons are. Federation diversity doesn't just mean human progressive liberalism.

2.) Dump the technobabble, the show isn't about tech, but what tech there is is consistant and make sense.

3.) Farpoint, when Picard fires the aft torpedoes to conceal the saucer separation, he "accidentally" kills Q. Permanently.

DS9

1)Make it so Sisko doesn't only dates/marry black women or aliens who are black women. Fix this (screwing mirror-Dax doesn't count.).

VOY

1.) Kes isn't a psychic -slash- super being, Keep her on the show, she and 7 of 9 become best friends and she is 7's guide to be less borg, more human. Not the doctor and 7.

ENT

1.) Archer was in over his head and out of his depth, we all got that. Have the rest of the crew realize this and comment on it.

2.) Have the whole "expanse" arc run only five or six episodes.

3.) Mention the Romulans or something that is the Romulans every second or third episode, something short and a little vague. A unknown race is out there, a ship disappears, a rumor, a alien casually passes another clue. Build up to the Romulan war, even if we never see the war because the series is cancelled.

4.) One of Archer's on going assignment is to find out about this mysterious "Federation." The Federation has been around for hundreds or thousands of years, the Vulans have long been apart of it, the humans are secretly being evaluated for membership. That one reason T'Pol is on the ship. Archer and Trip are correct, she is actual spying on them.

5.) Can we make the mirror universe arc a three part episode.

I think the only reason that TOS series aliens looked human, and I've read Whitfields book on this, is that they were a bit stuck for getting genuine aliens on the payroll. Roddenberry came up with some really alien looking aliens, but they could depict them as they didn't have the technology. Humanoid does not necessarily mean human.

 

[Anwar]

Yeah, I mean no one complains in Doctor Who that so many "aliens" look just like humans including the Gallifreyans.

 

[Joshua Howard]

3.) Who Watches the Watchers - Get rid of this line....

Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? NO!

I disagree, Trek was making a hard statement on its views of religion and it shouldn't be watered down to appease the general audience.

I disagree. If Star Trek teaches one lesson, it is that the rational mind is superior to the mind that willingly believes without proof. That is one of the most powerful phrases in the show, and one of the most powerful episodes in TNG.

For those of us who are only just beginning to grasp the higher concepts of philosophy and free thought, it may be tough medicine, but Star Trek wouldn't be Star Trek without every single word of it. This isn't just another TV show taking up a time slot. It is a work of philosophy veiled in allegory.

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Anyway, I have always thought that it would be fascinating to see an episode which showed some of everyday life in 24th century Earth. Of course, we saw Picard in the vineyards, we saw Earth of the past, and we saw fleeting glimpses of Starfleet Academy and Starfleet Command. What we never really did see, and what I would have loved to behold, is what culture was like on the streets of the city.

If one episode would have included a few extra shots of the part of San Francisco surrounding Starfleet Headquarters, I would have liked that.

I also regret that Nella Daren, who seemed like such an awesome match for Picard, only lasted for one episode. I understand that things worked out for the best that way, and the last thing I would want to see is Picard's personal life turned into a soap opera. If her character would have been retained and been developed as an enduring friend (kind of like Dr. Crusher) I would have enjoyed that. Of course, it would be hard for two women to fill that same role, as Beverly's mild jealousy of Nella Daren in lessons proved.

Along those same lines, we should have seen more of Picard's flute, and a few extra references to Earl Gray Tea. :-)

 

[Finn]

^ We got to see the streets of San Francisco, from outdoor cafes to subway entrances on Voyager.

 

[Joshua Howard]

^ Fascinating. With no little reluctance, I must admit that I have not seen Voyager yet. I have watched TOS and TNG more than once, and some ENT, but not a single episode of VOY or DS9. I look forward to discovering what I have been missing out on.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Subway entrances? This I gotta see.

 

[Finn]

Yes. Mission District station IIRC

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Which episode?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

3.) Who Watches the Watchers - Get rid of this line....


Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? NO!

This is one of the best ballsiest speeches in all the canon of Trek, and to get rid of it would castrate what Trek is about and its message. It is the one of the only speeches in modern Trek that I would consider to be classic. Trek is about what is demonstrable, testable, and what works within reason.

Why would you get rid of it?

 

[Admiral Shran]

4.) One of Archer's on going assignment is to find out about this mysterious "Federation." The Federation has been around for hundreds or thousands of years, the Vulans have long been apart of it, the humans are secretly being evaluated for membership. That one reason T'Pol is on the ship. Archer and Trip are correct, she is actual spying on them.

If the Federation has been around for so long, and Humans had nothing to do with its creation, how would you explain how Earth becomes the de facto capital of the Federation less than a century later?

3.) Who Watches the Watchers - Get rid of this line....


Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? NO!

This is one of the best ballsiest speeches in all the canon of Trek, and to get rid of it would castrate what Trek is about and its message. It is the one of the only speeches in modern Trek that I would consider to be classic. Trek is about what is demonstrable, testable, and what works within reason.

Why would you get rid of it?

I didn't think Trek's message was supposed to be about bashing religion or those who choose to believe in it, which what I get from that line. I thought the whole point was that it's best to be accepting of other people's beliefs, attitudes, and customs (even if you don't agree with them).

 

[xortex]

4.) One of Archer's on going assignment is to find out about this mysterious "Federation." The Federation has been around for hundreds or thousands of years, the Vulans have long been apart of it, the humans are secretly being evaluated for membership. That one reason T'Pol is on the ship. Archer and Trip are correct, she is actual spying on them.

If the Federation has been around for so long, and Humans had nothing to do with its creation, how would you explain how Earth becomes the de facto capital of the Federation less than a century later?

3.) Who Watches the Watchers - Get rid of this line....


Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? NO!

This is one of the best ballsiest speeches in all the canon of Trek, and to get rid of it would castrate what Trek is about and its message. It is the one of the only speeches in modern Trek that I would consider to be classic. Trek is about what is demonstrable, testable, and what works within reason.

Why would you get rid of it?

I didn't think Trek's message was supposed to be about bashing religion or those who choose to believe in it, which what I get from that line. I thought the whole point was that it's best to be accepting of other people's beliefs, attitudes, and customs (even if you don't agree with them).

Maybe nobody wants the responsibility of being the head of the Federation.

Also ignorance and superstition is not a religion.

 

[Admiral Shran]

^I agree. Simple Ignorance and superstitution doesn't make a religion. But that's not the point that Picard is making. He's saying that religion is nothing more than superstitution and ignorance. I can't disagree with that strongly enough.

 

[T'Girl]

^ Perhaps Picard himself is simply ignorant of religion.






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[Myasishchev]

The thing is, changing that isn't fixing something stupid like Threshold, it would actually be censoring the message that was intentionally sent. Agree or disagree, it's the point that they were trying to make.

 

[T'Girl]

4.) One of Archer's on going assignment is to find out about this mysterious "Federation." The Federation has been around for hundreds or thousands of years, the Vulans have long been apart of it, the humans are secretly being evaluated for membership. That one reason T'Pol is on the ship. Archer and Trip are correct, she is actual spying on them.

If the Federation has been around for so long, and Humans had nothing to do with its creation, how would you explain how Earth becomes the de facto capital of the Federation less than a century later?

The OP of the thread said (kind of) what would you change.

But okay, at the time of Archer's voyages the Federation was ancient and stagnant. The older races that had original formed the Federation had lost their youthful vitality and they knew it, The Romulans were advancing into their territories and they knew that too. Many in the Federation felt that the inclusion of a young dynamic race like the Humans was what they needed. Not all agreed, certainly the Vulcans didn't. They weren't just looking for another member, they had enough of those already, what they desperately had to have was a new leadership. The Human race offered that possibility. The Andorians were another possibility (Vulcans really hated that idea).

What was formed in the year 2161 was a new Federation in a lot of ways, more curious, expansionist and prosperous. The new Federation was driven by the Humans zeal for life, the older races knew that in time another race would replace the Humans, it was the way of things.

 

[Admiral Shran]

The thing is, changing that isn't fixing something stupid like Threshold, it would actually be censoring the message that was intentionally sent. Agree or disagree, it's the point that they were trying to make.

And what is that message? That people who believe in the religious are backward, superstitious, and ignorant. As a believer, I find that very upsetting. It's not something Star Trek should be about. The shows are about accepting people for who they are, not forcing them to agree with your beliefs.

If Picard chooses to be a non-believer, then fine. That's his choice and right. I, or anybody else, shouldn't be allowed, as a believer, to ridicule his chosen stance. But the reverse is also true. Non-believers shouldn't be allowed to ridicule believers, which is what that line does.

 

[indolover]

TNG

- Kept Ro Laren as the Chief Helm Officer from season 5 to season 7.

- Make Troi's role as a senior officer more expansive. Let her have technical knowledge, and contribute to the ship's maintenance.

- Have an Andorian on the crew as a recurring character, similar to how Barclay appeared, but have him in Security under Worf, and as an unlikely ally to Worf when crises hit.

- Worf should have had long Klingon-esque style hair from season 1.

- Have more recurring characters, and perhaps some story arcs. I reckon Chain of Command could have made a good story arc. Eps 1 and 2 show Picard being captured and tortured by Gul Madred, but eps 3 and 4 show the crew getting used to (which they should as professionals) Capt. Jellico. Chain of Command should have had a mini battle between the Enterprise and other Starfleet ships and some Cardassian vessels. There would have been no war, but the Central Command offer Picard in exchange for Cardassian ships leaving Minos Korva (they had briefly invaded the system).

- Reduce the moral nature of Picard slightly, but keep his strengths, such as his intuitiveness, wisdom, culture, discipline, etc. Make Picard do bad things, if it serves a greater good or purpose.

DS9

- Make the Jem'Hadar and The Search a four part episode. Part 1 Sisko discovers the Jem'Hadar. Part 2 The Vorta does not transport off the station, but is put in the brig by Odo. As she is a Vorta and Odo is the same species as the Founders, she acts deferentially to him, but Odo doesn't understand why. until parts 3 and 4, where Sisko and co. discover the Founders.

- Make the Dominion war end in mid season 7.

- Have less Ferengi episodes, or show them as a more complex species.

- Give Garak a Starfleet field commission during the Dominion War, as part of the Cardassian resistance.

- Have no Dominion-orchestrated Cardassian genocide in the series finale. The War ends by the Cardassian rebellion destroying all cloning facilities on Cardassia Prime earlier in season 7, and the Jem'Hadar and Vorta slowly die off. The Female Changeling has less persons to command, and near death Odo links with her, and convinces her to order the Dominion to surrender.

- Have Sisko as a Captain from the start, and with a shaven head and goatee beard. Picard still gives him his orders, but on instruction from Starfleet Command and Admiral Nechayev. She appears in Emissary as well. Sisko is still hostile to Picard, but the Battle of Wolf 359 is discussed by both of them at the end of the episode. After the Prophets help Sisko overcome the pain of Jennifer's death, Sisko says that both he and Picard were victims at Wolf 359, and that he meant no disrespect when they first met.

Voyager

- Show an episode with Chakotay's mom and tribe.

- In the episode Prey, the 8472 on board makes peace with the Voyager crew and shows them ways on how to defeat the Borg.

- No Kes, since she just took up space.

- Janeway has a relationship from season 5 onwards, but not with Chakotay, at least not initially. when they're stuck on the planet on season 2, they sleep with one another, but promise not to take it any further. in season 5, the Voyager crew have a story arc with a group of ex-Borg Starfleet officers, who they incorporate into the crew. Janeway falls for one of the officers, who also is a Starfleet Captain.

ENT

- Have no Temporal Cold War

- Have no Borg episode

- Have no Phlox. Like Kes he took up space too.

- Alter Broken Bow, and make official first contact with the Klingons later in the series.

 

[Myasishchev]

The thing is, changing that isn't fixing something stupid like Threshold, it would actually be censoring the message that was intentionally sent. Agree or disagree, it's the point that they were trying to make.

And what is that message? That people who believe in the religious are backward, superstitious, and ignorant. As a believer, I find that very upsetting. It's not something Star Trek should be about. The shows are about accepting people for who they are, not forcing them to agree with your beliefs.

If Picard chooses to be a non-believer, then fine. That's his choice and right. I, or anybody else, shouldn't be allowed, as a believer, to ridicule his chosen stance. But the reverse is also true. Non-believers shouldn't be allowed to ridicule believers, which is what that line does.

Well, I think they should be allowed.