Anyone Tried A PreRefit version of TMP Enterprise?

[crankit]

On a another thread I stated how It always annoyed me the the original enterprise looks nothing like a pre refit version of the TMP Enterprise.
From an engineering standpoint it doesn't seem like an organisation would do such an extreme refit(and yes know it's fiction).

So something I've started doing is tarring down Denis Baileys Enterprise Refit to it's basic Hull structure, taking off everything on that ship that would have been part of Major refit and then replacing these components with older versions.

Heres what it looks like all stripped down,

Now I'm no expert at cgi modeling as most of what i've learnt has to do with layout. I would love to see what an expert can do with this baby.

 

[erifah]

...and yes know it's fiction...

No it is NOT.

I have discovered proof that Gene Roddenberry was a no-talent hack who, on a visit to NASA one day, stole a device that channels newsfeeds and documentaries of real-world events from the future. He pretended that this was all merely "science fiction" to boost his career.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Gene Roddenberry? Who's that?

 

[judge alba]

i belive vance did a phase 2 style enterprise that fitted in between the tos and tmp versions if i remember rightly it had the original bridge new deflector and new nacelles

 

[MarianLH]

I've always wanted to see the refit backdated like this. I have no artistic skills whatsoever, so I can't do it. So it's awesome to see someone else giving it a try.


Marian

 

[Maurice]

What I dislike about things like this is the tendency to want to morph between designs, so that features make a gradual change between two extremes. For instance, there's no reason for an intermediate form of deflector. A new type is developed, and the old one is ripped out and the new one stuck in. This isn't an evolving animal, after all.

 

[crankit]

What I dislike about things like this is the tendency to want to morph between designs, so that features make a gradual change between two extremes. For instance, there's no reason for an intermediate form of deflector. A new type is developed, and the old one is ripped out and the new one stuck in. This isn't an evolving animal, after all.

I hope everyone will ignore that deflector dish, It's just something I've put there to plug the hole for that shot, It's actually from Dan Uyeno aka Madkoifish's re imaged enterprise. What I'm aiming for is something similar for the dish. I refuse to use replica parts off the original enterprise. One of my issues is that the orignal series enterprise lacks detail which makes it seem like a toy model.

Somehow I wanto be faithful to the original design yet make it seem like a refit into the TMP design is not such an extream. I will probably use the orginal naccelles and try to add detail. will post more pics in a few days.

 

[USS Jack Riley]

My problem with an Enterprise midway between TOS and TMP is that in TMP Decker specificially says that this is a whole new ship when arguing that Kirk is not qualified to captain her.

In fact, doesn't Kirk get lost and have to ask a crewman for assistance and gets a rather ugly glare from Decker who witnesses the incident?

Not a bad idea for a ship other than Enterprise (such as another Constitution Class vessel or another class of vessel), since the Enterprise was incorporating a bunch of new systems, but not the Enterprise herself.

Nevertheless, if you move forward with it, the work you have so far looks great.

 

[MarianLH]

My problem with an Enterprise midway between TOS and TMP is that in TMP Decker specificially says that this is a whole new ship when arguing that Kirk is not qualified to captain her.

Unless I misunderstand, this isn't a ship in between TOS and TMP. It's a re-imagining of the original.

It's been pointed out for decades that you can't really get from the original to the refit. The basic proportions are too different. So what crankit is doing, unless I misunderstood, is imagining what the original ship might have looked like if it always had the same proportions as the refit. As I said upthread, I've had that idea myself, and have wanted to see someone do it. (And vice versa, I'd also like to see the refit done to the original proportions.)

Crankit, You may wish to take a look at Adam Turner's CX for a similar design. I particularly like the way he handled the warp engine pylons.


Marian

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Now I'm no expert at cgi modeling as most of what i've learnt has to do with layout. I would love to see what an expert can do with this baby.

I dunno, it looks like you're off to a good start; you obviously put that new deflector dish there, which doesn't exist on the TOS or refit starships Enterprise.

(btw, before the moderators yell at you, you might want to put credits on that image for both Dennis Bailey's original work and your own alterations... just a thought...)

 

[CuttingEdge100]

What would be interesting would be the following

- A Phase II Saucer
Explanation: The saucer is larger and more in line, in terms of diameter, with the TMP enterprise, but it's thinner like the TOS Enterprise is

- A TOS Engineering hull
Explanation: The thinner engineering-hull actually looks better for the purposes of such a design. Helps retain some of it's TOS roots.

- Phase II like Rectangular Warp-Nacelles
Explanation: I like them better than the cylindrical nacelles. It would seem there are a great many fans who do.
Revision Recommendations:
* 1.) Delete the forward grilles, inboard and outboard, shown on the Phase II design as it looks rather goofy and like a big #7
* 2.) Extend the cylindrical structure in which the main grilles are located on the Phase II nacelles up until the point at which its length goes all the way up until where the forward grilles were located
* 3.) Delete the main grille on the outboard side. Personally, I felt that was a good feature of the TOS Enterprise as it reduced the number of angles the grilles could be hit by enemy fire. Retain cylindrical area, just delete the outboard grilles.
* 4.) Redesign the inboard grilles. My recommendation is essentially to delete the thick inboard main-grilles and instead replace them with two slimmer TOS-Enterprise style main-grilles. Since I already recommended the cylindrical section of the nacelle to be lengthened you could put two TOS-style forward grilles there too.

I have decided to enclose a very basic drawing which illustrates what I'm proposing

The area I whitened out is the cylindrical area I was mentioning. Note it has been lengthened and the outboard grilles removed.

*5.) Use a smooth front cap, don't use grilles on the front-cap of the nacelle


- Swept pylons used in Phase II
Explanation: They look cooler, and the connecting-dorsal/neck is also swept
Revision Recommendations:
*1.) Remove that notched out section on the top of the pylon where it joins the nacelle fill it in completely like the TMP design
*2.) Remove flush vents on outboard pylon, put vents on the mid-chord area of the inboard pylon more like the TOS design.

- Surface Detail Similar to TOS
Reason: It looks cleaner, more high-tech.


CuttingEdge100

 

[Warped9]

I've never really tried reverse engineering the TOS E from the perspective of TMP. What I have done is envision a refit that looks more closely linked to the TOS E then the TMP refit we actually got.

And for the record I've never really cared for the the Phase II version of the ship.

 

[CuttingEdge100]

Warped9,

I've never really tried reverse engineering the TOS E from the perspective of TMP. What I have done is envision a refit that looks more closely linked to the TOS E then the TMP refit we actually got.

Well, there are a number of TOS features which I like more than the TMP features. The smooth nacelle front-caps (though I think they should only glow when at warp), the lower surface detail, simpler nav-dome and such.

There are some TMP features which I like more too, the rectangular nacelles, the revised impulse engines, engineering hull, swept back warp-pylons, the thicker neck, the phaser-turrets, self-illumination, etc, and the overall more sculpted shape of the shuttlebay and bridge-domes (except the squarish area in the back -- too boxy)

And for the record I've never really cared for the the Phase II version of the ship.

Well, I just think the Phase II saucer looks more like the TOS saucer than the TMP saucer. The ship also has the lower surface detail which makes the ship look smoother and cleaner cut. I'm also a fan of the rectangular nacelles, I honestly prefer the longer, and better shaped TMP nacelles, but the cylindrical section of the Phase II rectangular nacelle-design lends itself to interesting options, and look good without outboard grilling.


CuttingEdge100