Anyone else love Nemesis?

[I am not Spock]

Didn't Stewart reject the original, darker, 'Heart Of Darkness' style Insurrection script?

Man, I love you, but just stick to acting, will ya?

The 'Picard as action hero' thing really came out of nowhere. I mean, when did he demonstrate this behaviour in the series? The only episode that comes immediately to mind in TNG when Picard kicks ass and chews bubblegum is 'Starship Mine'.

He toughened up somewhat between GEN and FC. In GEN, Picard gets his ass well and truly handed to him by a SCIENTIST!

 

[Obi Wana Jones]

I've rewatched Nemesis a few times recently on AMC. You know what? Aside from the dreaded dune buggy scene, and the "where the heck did they come from" Remans, the movie was good. Not great, mind you, but good.

Definitely far better than Insurrection, which should have been more aptly named Destruction. Insurrection was to Star Trek what Superman 3 or Batman and Robin were to those respective franchises.

 

[I am not Spock]

^Yeah, some of it is watchable. The space battle at the end is OK, the effects and general production values are pretty good.

It's an improvement on the anticlimactic Insurrection in some ways.

 

[CoveTom]

Insurrection was to Star Trek what Superman 3 or Batman and Robin were to those respective franchises.

See, I agree with you as far as you took it. But I'd carry the analogy farther and say that Nemesis is to Star Trek what Superman IV was to that franchise.

I find Nemesis to be wholly unsatisfying. Even the much lauded battles and special effects seem "off" to me. Sure, they're well done technically. But they don't fit a Star Trek movie. They couldn't even get the sound effects for the weapons right.

No, I find little to nothing redeeming about Nemesis.

 

[Myasishchev]

Wow....Cyke...that is completely something I had missed!

And I dig it.

All hail the three minutes where this film DOESN'T SUCK MONKEY BALLS!

And seriously, Riker was supposed to lead the shipboard battles and Stewart talked Frakes out of it?

Damn.

Riker's easily my favorite TNG character.

Originally in 'First Contact' Riker was going to be the one on the ship fighting the Borg while Picard was only the planet helping Cochrane. In that particular instance, it was probably a good idea to switch due to Picard's personal vendetta with the Borg.

In 'Insurrection' however it probably would have made more sense for Picard, one of the Federation's leading diplomats, to be the one to fight his way through the Son'a ships and take the Enterprise to go talk to the Federation Council, while Riker leads the ground evacuation effort and maybe end up facing down Ru'afo together? Of course that movie is by itself entirely another hodgepodge of dramatic failures.

But, contracts... what can ya do?

Sue for recission based on a theory of unconscionability. The TNG movies are strong evidence.

(With, perhaps strangely, the exception of Generations--I still like it, plot holes like swiss cheese and bad E-D death or not. I can't defend this appreciation. I can even point to why I like TFF--but GEN is hard to explain. Maybe it's Malcolm MacDowell.)

 

[Praetor]

Insurrection was to Star Trek what Superman 3 or Batman and Robin were to those respective franchises.

See, I agree with you as far as you took it. But I'd carry the analogy farther and say that Nemesis is to Star Trek what Superman IV was to that franchise.

I find Nemesis to be wholly unsatisfying. Even the much lauded battles and special effects seem "off" to me. Sure, they're well done technically. But they don't fit a Star Trek movie. They couldn't even get the sound effects for the weapons right.

No, I find little to nothing redeeming about Nemesis.

Agreed. Sometimes I want to watch it for the battles and the couple of interesting moments, but I just can't quite bring myself to.

 

[Gary7]

The only joy to be had with Nemesis is the occasional eye candy. The Enterprise E rendering was superb. The bridge looked fantastic. CGI was excellent. Uh, the front of the bridge getting ripped off? OK, pretty amazing. The Argo? Nifty. Cool dune buggy equipped with weaponry. The updated Romulan warbirds looked stunning. The few intimate smiles and embraces of emotion between TNG crew. But... that just about wraps it up. The rest is a fungus that eats away at credibility and good taste. I wonder if the cast knew how lousy this was turning out during the filming? Certainly Stewart must have known... especially with the all-too-familiar countdown-to-destruction repeated in an even more pathetic way than ever before.

Insurrection may have had an anti-climatic ending, but I will watch it again someday (I've seen it twice so far) because I own it. I have a digital copy of Nemesis on my hard drive that I'll likely burn to a DVD and then strip from my hard drive. I'll keep it for reference but I'll never watch it in its entirety again.