Anyone else love Nemesis?

[F. King Daniel]

I can’t believe the bad reputation Star Trek Nemesis has. I get the film was a financial disaster, but why all the critical abuse?

I honestly thought it was brilliant, and one of the best Trek films.

I admit some of the dialogue was really cheesy, that Riker’s too old for the action-man thing, and that Picard asking Troi to ‘put up’ with the mind rapes was deeply stupid, but then when people are dressed in silly costumes and flying though space, cheesiness and silliness is pretty much assured.

The story itself – the whole nature vs. nurture thing, was really well done, as was the epic space battle at the end (although Picard really should have evacuated the front half of the ship first! Poor Guinan!)

Does anyone else like the film?

Anybody?

C’mon!

(If not: You’re all wrong!)

 

[Dale]

It's not all bad. If the extended ending included on the dvd extras had been used I'd've left the theater much happier. The stuff with the new first officer and Riker was good stuff and gave a better sense of the Enterprise's continuity than the bare glimmer of Data exhibited by BS...'scuse me, B4.

 

[TheGodBen]

I like it, but I don't love it. I recognise its problems but I also think that there are some good concepts in there which were interesting to explore. It's no TWOK, but it certainly isn't TFF.

If the extended ending included on the dvd extras had been used I'd've left the theater much happier.

Agreed, when I saw that on the DVDs I was livid that Baird cut that out. Bastard!

 

[Tachyon]

It's definitely one of my fav Trek movies. It's a shame that it underperformed and got labelled as "flop" or "bad movie", because there is not really anything wrong with it. It was well directed, the visual effects were good, and even though the crew shattered, it was nicely told.

So I like Nemesis. A lot.

 

[Thor Damar]

It had the Romulans in it, but they where badly used in a second rate WoK copycat. So I didn't love Nemesis, not in the slightest.

Should have been a DS9 movie.

 

[cardinal biggles]

It's the only Trek movie I've watched just once.

Unlike The Final Frontier, where they were trying to make a good movie and ended up making a bad one, but there's little glimpses of good movie here and there, Nemesis is just a big long exercise in not trying very hard. Lazy director, mailed-in performances, story blatantly ripped off from a prior, successful Trek movie. Even the Jerry Goldsmith score isn't much to write home about.

 

[RyanKCR]

I believe it to be the best of the TNG films and corrected a lot of what was wrong the TNG in general.

 

[Falcor5]

I don't love it but I do think its watchable and the special effects are top notch. Having said that after reading Jonathan Frakes recent comments on Nemesis about what he would have done I wish he had directed it instead as I think it would have been a better film.

 

[Gates]

I enjoyed it. Not my favorite Trek movie, but still a good one

 

[Kryton]

It's the only Trek movie I've watched just once.

Same here. I left the theater feeling quite physically ill from it.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

It's not all bad. If the extended ending included on the dvd extras had been used I'd've left the theater much happier. The stuff with the new first officer and Riker was good stuff and gave a better sense of the Enterprise's continuity than the bare glimmer of Data exhibited by BS...'scuse me, B4.

THAT, in fact, is my biggest gripe about the movie - the cut content. Ten minutes of ships shooting at each other and an extended dune buggie drive by shooting? 'Keep it!' Thirty seconds of honest character development? 'Get rid of it, we have to cut things down!'

 

[Akiraprise]

It's not terrible. I've rewatched the space battle with Shinzon numerous times. That's the best part of the whole movie.

 

[john titor]

this film would have been a worthy finish to the tng films era if they hadn't killed off Data. Also the Remans were unnecessary, they should have just used the Romulans.

 

[Kpnuts]

I thought the spacebattle was terrible. Awful CGI, rubbish music, and no drama whatsoever. Just a mess of torpedoes and phaser beams. I've seen spacebattles in Stargate Atlantis that were better made.

 

[Myasishchev]

Nemesis had some good parts--particularly the space battle, "Mr. Troi" (well I thought it was funny), Data and Picard.

But the bad parts do sink that ship.

1)The Remans.
The bare concept isn't bad, but they look ridiculous and come out of nowhere. On a side note, Ron Perlman was utterly wasted.
2)Shinzon's motivation.
Again, the concept isn't bad, but his motivation was trash. You need Picard's blood? Have you considered asking him? Picard's a nice guy. He'll give you a transfusion. This, of course, assumes medical replicators can't replicate blood, which is a little stupid already. Furthermore, why would Shinzon want to destroy Earth? Earth didn't do anything to him. Romulus, on the other hand, imprisoned him on Planet Hell. Shinzon's logical goal would have been to destroy Romulus. Picard's logical involvement would have been to try to stop him because, Borg notwithstanding I guess, genocide is bad.
3)Romulan politics.
Where did the Scimitar come from? Why did they give it to the Remans? Why would any Romulan senator align with the Remans? I'll also take issue with Tal'Aura killing the "entire Romulan Senate." No, she didn't. I don't care what the movie says, the Romulan Senate is a larger body than a dozen or so people. I know this because the Continuing Committee of the Romulan Senate is roughly the same size. Even assuming they did all die, does the institution not persist? Successors?
4)Troi mindraped. Again.
Was this necessary? No. Was it worthwile? No. It doesn't even make sense. Donatra wanted to hit that. Oh, but right, Shinzon hates Romulans. See point 2.
5)B-4.
Lore who?
6)Thalaron radiation destroys organic matter at the subatomic level.
I mean, it's all BS science, but at least make an effort, say it interferes with the valency of atoms or something. But at the end of the day, in a universe with antimatter weapons, a weapon that can kill all life on a planet is simply not that big a deal, and it's certainly not an innovation. At least the Genesis Device had novel features which made its use slightly more attractive (and hence dangerous).
7)Deck 29.
Self-explanatory.

So, overall, it wasn't a good movie. It had its highlights, but mostly bad.

 

[I am not Spock]

I wish Frakes had directed it. It could have turned out better. Because he knows his Trek more than that hack Baird, who didn't bother to do his research. Maybe TPTB vetoed Frakes from helming the picture after Insurrection didn't get a warm reception from critics.

 

[FalTorPan]

Nemesis sucked. The story was even worse than Generations'.

 

[Dale]

I believe it to be the best of the TNG films and corrected a lot of what was wrong the TNG in general.

So it's not just the Zone... you take edgy, unpopular positions all over the board!

 

[Kirk1980]

Good god. Nemesis was the first Trek movie I left where I had no emotions other than disgust. No HELL YEAH! moments. Not even any payoffs in the death scene or ANYTHING. It was the most stilted undramatic frustrating piece of crap ever to have the temerity to call itself Trek. I would rather watch a goddamn VOYAGER marathon than see ten minutes of that excrement ever again.

Not to mention it's a BLATANT RIPOFF of a far better executed movie in TWoK.

Data's death/resurrection is even LESS nebulous than Spock's. We know for damn sure B4's eventually gonna BE Data.

 

[uniderth]

I thought Nemesis was pretty cool. The whole Picard clone thing was pretty lame but pretty much everything else was awesome. Romulans, Remans, Off-road vehicles, remote control shuttle, and we finally got to see "ramming speed" maneuver completed. Every other instance someone chickens out in the end and veers off. Not this time!

Then the ship pulls away and rips a huge chunk out of the Enterprise!

AWESOME!!!