Anyone else feel that Star Trek VI is still the best?

[EliyahuQeoni]

I've always liked Meyer's production style in his Trek movies. The naval analogies were always there, he just made them a bit more up-front. And I was pleased to see a return to actual buttons rather than the TNG style touch screen LCARS interfaces, which never really worked for me.

And Kirk and Co's prejudices against the Klingons seemed reasonably in character, considering that they'd been fighting them all thier lives. It made them less "perfect," but I've never been interested in perfect people. Flawed heroes are much more human and real to me.

 

[webb3201]

as a young 20 year old seeing it for the first time, I thought it to be really good. Especially loved it as a send off to the crew. On re-watching over the years, I think its just one of the many mediocre Trek movies we have been subjected to over the years. I can hardly tolerate sitting through most of them.

As I approach 40, I choose to believe that the entire Trek universe is contained in TOS and TMP. It all ended in 1979!

 

[Phantassm]

Great film-loved it from the very first screening. I don't know if I would consider it the best trek film but its definitely way up there.

 

[Kegek]

I consider it vastly underrated, and at a joint tie with TWOK for second best of the franchise.

 

[Blueicus]

I do. Like the others said, I really love the visual style of the film and although there are a couple of strange plot issues (I guess there was no visual record from either the Klingon ship or Enterprise that the torpedo that hit the klingon ship originated about 50 meters below the ship itself) I like the themes brought up by the movie.

 

[Jon1701]

Its a good film. A good Star Trek film, but certainly not the best. It hasn't aged as well as the others though, even though as others have remarked, it looks pretty good. I still love all the nautical stuff, but the shakespeare stuff feels a bit clunky now.

Yeah, the patch on Kirks back doesnt make sense - but its not the only trek film to have a plot hole. I mean, what is this thing? You can locate it two sectors away, but :

a) no-one else can detect it.
b) its safe to wear on your back.

Its a good job he never took his jacket off.

 

[trash80]

There is an old Vulcan proverb : "Only Nixon could go to China"

 

[Oso Blanco]

TUC is my least favorite Trek movie, right after Nemesis. Reasons:

- Too many plotholes and continuity errors
- The whole submarine approach for the Enterprise
- Kim Cattrall

 

[A beaker full of death]

ZeNd said:
Anyone else feel that Star Trek VI is still the best?

Still? It never was. In fact, with it's gratuitous quotations, chop-saki editing and horrid characterization, it may be the worst.

 

[Data Holmes]

All this talk of trek VI has made me have to put it in again.

 

[jayrath]

For me, it is the best film with the original cast, the best ST film of all, and the most in keeping with the spirit of TOS.

I think it's also the best ST movie AS a movie -- with superior staging and cinematography. I can think of no other ST film with such striking visuals.

 

[A beaker full of death]

jayrath said:
For me, it is the best film with the original cast, the best ST film of all, and the most in keeping with the spirit of TOS.

Yeah, loved that episode where Spock raped Edith Keeler.

 

[RoJoHen]

Spock was angry and felt betrayed. Vulcan or not, betrayal can do weird things to a person.

 

[Sci]

A beaker full of death said:

jayrath said:
For me, it is the best film with the original cast, the best ST film of all, and the most in keeping with the spirit of TOS.

Yeah, loved that episode where Spock raped Edith Keeler.

Honestly, for me, that's the only part of the film that I truly object to -- but I also think that that's a very valid point.

 

[USS Valkyrie]

Didn't mind it, but it is by no means my favorite

 

[archeryguy1701]

A beaker full of death said:

jayrath said:
For me, it is the best film with the original cast, the best ST film of all, and the most in keeping with the spirit of TOS.

Yeah, loved that episode where Spock raped Edith Keeler.

Damn, and I so thought we were on the same page when we defended Kirk's surrender a month ago. I will have to think if TUC is the best Trek movie, but is definately one of my favorites. The mind-rape scene didn't bother me, and I thought it showed them realising gravity of the situation they were in.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

Tomalak said:

God knows. All I know is that it's bloody good fun, unlike TMP.The God Thing is no doubt preparing some Comic Book Guy quip to brand me a moron for saying that.

Bingo, and that's what Trek has always been about, pure unadulterated enjoyment with plenty of fun thrown in when needed.

 

[Data Holmes]

Am I the only one that never saw it as a mind rape?


I always figured that she had been put through some trauma as a child, one involving klingons. And that that incident was what fractured her logic and caused her to side the way she did, and for her very emotional responses...

I also questioned if she was fully vulcan, or if she may have been part Romulian, maybe from the same batch of orphans which saavik was from.


Or that she may have been tortured/programmed by the starfleet officers involved in the conspiracy.



Fact remains, that what ever they experienced caused Spock to be shaken for a moment, until he regained his composure. And the way he let her off real quick with the "she doesn't know" made me think that he had gone through what ever she had in his mind...

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

hutt359 said:
Am I the only one that never saw it as a mind rape?

Nope, I never saw it that way either.

And its no more a violation than storing your soul in someone's head without asking first.

 

[cultcross]

EliyahuQeoni said:

hutt359 said:
Am I the only one that never saw it as a mind rape?

Nope, I never saw it that way either.

And its no more a violation than storing your soul in someone's head without asking first.

The Vulcan adage that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few may not apply to the human crew in STIII, but I daresay Spock still follows it. He's no hypocrite - he willingly sacrificed himself for the 'good of the many', so expecting the same mentality of another Vulcan is not out of character.