Anyone else feel Saru got character assassinated?

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  1. alex08060

    alex08060 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Same with Paris in Voyager.
     
  2. Draculasaurus

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    I think I would have liked it better if they hadn't decided to have Saru in the bed for his talk with Burnham.
    Jones really needs to be able to move around to fully act through that make up, and his explanation/admission that he wasn't being controlled fell flat for me.
     
  3. donners22

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    That's a pretty slim excuse for risking countless lives and attacking his crewmates.

    I can't see why he shouldn't face the same charge and punishment as Burnham did.
     
  4. Awesome Possum

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    Not really. He really seemed overwhelmed, more than we’ve seen before. Being released like that probably caused a rush or high that he couldn’t resist because after a lifetime of fear. Being released from that feeling must have felt incredible to him, pushing him to defend it.

    I do have issues with where it was placed in his story arc. It comes after he uses his fear to be a good captain when trying to find Lorca, which also gave him emotional closure to losing his previous captain.
     
  5. Psion

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    Because no one died and Burnham isn't likely to press charges, I'd imagine. Despite her intensive Vulcan training, Burnham remains a remarkably understanding human. One who recognizes the suffering in another. Saru felt safe for the very first time in his life on that planet, and he was desperate to protect that ... especially from the one person who had taken away things he coveted in the past. His admissions in sickbay were a turning point in his relationship with Burnham ... ultimately a closure for the events that began in the Battle at the Binary Stars.
     
  6. donners22

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    More than that, she and Tyler would have to actively conceal what happened.

    Burnham may be understanding, but I cannot imagine Lorca or those above being quite so sympathetic of such a fundamental dereliction of his duty.
     
  7. Captain of the USS Averof

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    Saru got character assassinated since/in episode 1: "The Vulcan Hello".
     
  8. Kor

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    No doubt the official logs will record that Saru acted under alien influence. Otherwise his career would be in jeopardy.

    Kor
     
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    Lt. Tyler as the next ranking officer and security chief should report his behavior. Saru should be charged with dereliction of duty, failure to obey orders, conduct unbecoming an officer, cowardly conduct and assaulting a fellow crew member.
     
  10. Mr. Laser Beam

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    And even if Saru chooses not to admit it, that is actually true. He never would have done what he did if he hadn't been exposed to the sparkly aliens.
     
  11. Dashiell Mirai

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    Crikey. You guys really don't like him, do you? It was vice-versa for me. Most of the other characters came off, as, well, somewhat of jerks. They seemed more hot-headed and violent. I liked that Saru seemed more cautious and reserved, although I wasn't the biggest fan of the whole "spidey-sense" thing. Take my arrogant opinion with an entire saltshaker, though, I'm still on the first few episodes.
     
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  12. cultcross

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    Nearly every character in Star Trek history, particularly on TNG, has done some shady shit and been utterly forgiven before the next week. Trek is a world which lacks consequences for actions, particularly if you turn out to be right, or do something unconnected but good between the bad thing and the opportunity for punishment.
     
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  13. Jackson_Roykirk

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    It could very well be this -- i.e., that as a command leader, Saru felt the need to "own" his actions, because the actions were in fact his.

    That is to say, he felt that as a leader , he should not be making excuses for his actions. It could still be that he was under the aliens' influence, and that he would have acted differently if that were not the case.

    He did in fact seem to be acting rather strangely and unlike the way he normally acts. He seemed be be acting in a way similar to the way Spock acted when he was affected by the spores in "TOS: This Side Of Paradise".
     
  14. Prax

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    Saru is a boss... But they're talking about a later episode that focuses on him that may or may impact his character.
     
  15. Dashiell Mirai

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    Welp, at the rate I've begun binge watching, I'm sure I'll get to it soon enough.
     
  16. Xhiandra

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    What annoyed me was the scale. 80kmh? That's twice Usain Bolt's, and Bolt can only do that on very short distances, and he's the absolute fastest of us all.
    There's a limit to what humanoid physiology can support, and at 80kmh, his leg bones (or whatever equivalent he has) would likely snap, not to mention the circulatory problems.

    Then again, I guess that's par for the course for Star Wars: Discovery. Next thing you know, they'll be talking in bazillions.


    The Ferengi are probably weaker. They certainly have very low pain thresholds (or was that only Quark & Rom?), at the least.
    The Bolians are probably about on par. Chell (the obese Bolian from Voyager) had roughly the level of fitness you'd expect of your average private Pyle.
    Bajorans seem to be on par, too.
     
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  17. Vger23

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    You quoted my constructive criticism as if I was bashing the show. I want to be clear that I don't consider the show to be "Star Wars Discovery," clever as that may seem. I think it's a great show, and certainly no more dodgy than any of the other fantastical or inane science other elements of the franchise has presented in the last.
     
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