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Any Xena:WP fans on the boards?

It took me awhile but i found a sex scene of Leicks from one of her movies a year or two ago, perfect rack made me jealous...


which movie? :drool::drool::drool::drool:

all so I did'nt realize she was knight rider 2010.

She's also in Eliza Dushku's series Tru Calling and has a nice little appearance in the titles every week

Never heard of it, but is this what you mean?

Hudson in "Tru Calling"... (15 sec mark)

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Of course, one can't search Hudson on YT without turning THIS up immediately!
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She makes such a delicious baddie, doesn't she? Espcially when up against our little Miss Goody two shoes...Gabrielle.
 
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callisto's is one of my favorite villians. I just they did a more of a better back ground stiry on her than they did. like where she got her training and her army when we first see her.
 
"Xena: Warrior Princess" was blessed with great characters male and female, but I think "we" were especially blessed by the complexity of the female characters in this show. Females that were not only the heroines, like Xena and Gabrielle, but also the villains like Callisto and Alti.

In that sense, it reminds me of my fav trek show with its female triumverate on the ship (Janeway, Seven, and B'Elanna) and its greatest Nemesis... the BORG Queen, and of Battlestar Galactica with President Laura Roslyn, fighter jockey Kara Thrace, all the female Cylons (#3, #6, #8), Admiral Cain, and Ellen Tigh.

Tim... were you reading the thread early on, when a fellow poster revealed Hudson had read for the role of "Seven of Nine" on Star Trek Voyager?
 
Episode 130 Season 6 #18 "When Fates Collide"


This ep, more than any other (IMO) has the best "wordless" scenes... which means you really really need to buy/rent/download this one to appreciate it. JUST reading the whoosh.org transcripts is a complete waste for thie act, and even my attempts to flesh it out will seem paltry.

Remember when I compared the Gabrielle's walk to the crucifixion scenes between "Ides of March" and WFC? I noted how in IoM Gabrielle was walking quite dignified to her death, vs WFC where the playwright was pulled along, fighting her fate.

Now lets look Xena. In IoM it was the paralyzed Xena that was pulled along to her death. True, she was stoical and dignified, as much as one could be being dragged by 2 Roman Centurions, but she wasn't fighting her fate any longer.

Fast forward 3 seasons, and watch with Caesar, as Xena: Warrior EMPRESS shows you what dignity looks like.

ACT IV:

Caesar awaits his former lover's last walk to her cross. Its pouring down rain, and they say nothing to each other as she passes under the small tent sheltering Caesar and Alti.

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A centurion leads her, two Centurions guard her either side.

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Several more follow behind her. The one immediately behind, is Neo... AKA Joxer. He looks quite grim.

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Stoical... "Enduring pain and hardship without showing one's feelings or complaining.."

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She turns to face her cross, and looks back briefly to her tormentors...

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but she shows no emotion for the scene playing out above her.

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And the men place her on the cross.

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What's shocking to me is when the one at the head of the cross reaches down and grabs her by the hair to pull her head into position.

Neo is watching from the sidelines. He doesn't hold her down, he doesn't nail her to the cross. He just stands by her, the way your friend would attend your execution, just so you know there's someone there for YOU.

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And they tie her down, as the rain falls.

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Not a word has been spoken, nor will it be "spoken" for the first 4 minutes of this ep.

ACT IV continues...

GO to 19 sec mark for a flavor of the act IV intro (original clips have been deleted, darn!)

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(Back from Boston where I "knelt" at the altar of The Man himself, William Shatner! Woo Hoo!!!!)

Episode 130 Season 6 #18 "When Fates Collide"

Act IV continues... wordlessly

The centurions first tie her to the cross. She is struggling enough that one places his foot upon her outstretched left arm to pin it to the cross. I worried quite a bit, wondering if this foot belonged to Neo/Joxer, but its plain that while 5 men are tieing her down, the shadow of a 6th is standing off to the left side of the cross. In my mind, the 6th is Neo, the centurion who's daughter lived because the Empress thought enough to send her physician to heal her.

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As the Warrior Empress is being tied down, we intercut to two other scenes. One recurring one is that of Gabrielle, riding through the rain, away from the city. Immediately we realize Neo followed the Empress' last command, to "get her out alive."

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The other scene we see intercut with this preparation for execution is Caesar's bedroom, where he and Alti have escaped and are celebrating the execution in a familiar way. Familiar because its the sex scene Empress Xena saw the 2nd time Alti showed her visions in the prison cell (act II)

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And then the scene that Rob Tapert is surprised ever made it past network censors unfolds. Wood is placed over each of Xena's palms, and two arms are raised, a left arm holding a hammer over HER right hand... and a right arm holding a hammer over HER left hand, as the rain continues to fall...

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And somewhere deep within the palace, as Caesar's attention is directed "elsewhere", ALti pulls a dagger from her waist and raises IT high...

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... and down they plunge, the dagger AND the hammers together!

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and like in "Ides of March", the film editor had XENA reacting to Alti's blows on Caesar, and has Caesar reacting to the Centurions blows on Xena.

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The cutting back and forth is quite disturbing...

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and as Caesar dies, his mouth left open in a grotesque and now silent cry...

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...we see Xena STILL alive, but also SCREAMING in an excrutiating howl.

(I can't hotlink it, but you can scroll down to #5 to see it. http://www.argenxena.com.ar/perlitas3.php )

And as a naked Alti leaves Caesar's deathbed, we see a rain drenched playwright reach her destination.

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The centurions have completed their grisely task, and now work to raise the heavy cross with its innocent burden on high...

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Gabrielle finally enters the temple of the fates...

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...and she walks down to the loom that is a study in chaos, as the cross is raised even higher.

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Neo can be seen, off to the Empress' left side. Slowly the cross is raised... and the higher she gets, the more the cross teeters from side to side...

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Gabrielle has been speechless, before the loom.

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And as we see Xena's cross reach its apex, it slides KERPLUNK! into the warter filled hole previously prepared for it, as our Empress reacts to the violent FALL her body undergoes with the descent.

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And finally, after 4 silent minutes, silent except for the screams of a wounded woman and a dying man, the first words are spoken.

Gabrielle: [Sighs and Whispers as she looks at the loom] "It's horrible."

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From somewhere beind her, comes the answer to all her questions.

Clotho: "When Caesar left us chained... "
Lachesis: "... we could not mind the loom... "
Atropos: "... creating a world full of chaos and confusion."

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Gabrielle: "We're stuck in this world... because of you?"

As Gabrielle dialogues with the three Fates, we see Xena's fate... her destiny as she hangs from the cross.

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And as she hangs there, we see the High Priestess and new Empress of Rome walk out to view her triumph. She doesn't say anything, She doesn't need to... all Alti does is LAUGH!

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Whilst all I want to do is CRY!

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Thank God GABRIELLE is keeping HER wits about her!

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She walks over to the three fates, and takes a torch from above their heads and after a halfhearted attempt to scare them with it, she turns and walks deliberately towards the loom.

Clotho: "No! Burning the loom... "
Lachesis: "... will destroy everything!"
Gabrielle: "So be it. Your loom..."

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Gabrielle: "...destroyed what was meant to be."
[Gabrielle Yells as she tosses the torch into the loom]

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The woman who proudly told the Empress she had "never harmed anyone in her entire life", has just detroyed the fabric of time upon which all life rests.

And for what?

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or rather...

And for who?

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As the flames climb higher into the various threads of the loom, they finally have an effect.

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The torturer becomes the tortured.

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The woman who would change the world becomes surrounded...

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And the woman who would be subjugated, has the last laugh.

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...as her nemesis becomes "no more".

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And still the flames climb higher into the night...

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and explode towards the humble woman who kneels before the loom...

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while back in a rain drenched courtyard, another woman says one final prayer.

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Xena: "I love you, Gabrielle."

...as the whole UNIVERSE explodes!

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And reforms.

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And we see Gabrielle, Amazon Queen and Bard of Potadiea, standing alone in a forest. She looks confused...

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...when suddenly she hears the clipclop of a horse cantoring her way.

It's Xena... Warrior PRINCESS!

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Xena: "Hey."
Gabrielle: "Hi."

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Xena: "You brought the world back to us."
Gabrielle: "I'm glad. I like this one better."

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Xena: "Even though you're not a famous playwright?"

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Gabrielle: "Fame... who needs it?"

She reaches a hand up as Xena leans down to grasp her and pull her up onto Argo II's back.

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Gabrielle: (As she settles in behind Xena, she asks) "Did you really like my play?"
Xena: (Xena looks thoughtful before responding...) "It was all right."

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Then as they trot away, she has to add a little familiar dig.

Xena: "Maybe it could've done with a few more fight scenes."
Gabrielle: "Everyone's a critic."

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THE END

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Aside #9

Act IV freaking blows me away in so many ways.

The silence is obviously one... the Empress' dignity is just STRIKING.

The colors or lack there of is another.

The Empress' gray rag dress, her grey mud streaked skin, highlighted by the BRIGHT red blood streaming down from her right shoulder wound, and later when we see her descene the steps, the red blood streaming down from her left thigh wound.

It makes me shudder.

But not as much as the scene, after the Empress is nailed to the cross, where we see the rain water collect under the cross as it flows to the left under her feet. The water coming in from the right is clear... the water leaving the cross to the left is red with the blood from her recently nailed feet.

SHUDDER!

So much shuddering going on in this act... we actually SEE the nail going through the wood over her palms, and into her hand under it.

ARGH!

Rob Tapert tells us how he had to fight with the post production producer re: Xena screaming during this series of scenes because "Xena doesn't scream."

As Rob pointed out to the producer... "this" isn't Xena.... its the Empress, a woman who has many traits and skills in common with the Warrior Princess, but that's all.

Plus, as Rob explained, it worked better for the scene to have this version "scream".

I agree.

I also agree with Lucy.

Xena's final "I love you Gabrielle" seemed quite forced, and there was no implulse to say that. If I could have rewritten it, I would have had her say, as Alti died, "Thank-you, Gabrielle." since its obvious from the next scene that Xena knew the world changed back BECAUSE of Gabrielle.

Or... if we don't want the Empress to be that smart... I would have simply had her look down from the cross and sigh..."Forever." to harken back to the last thing she said to Gabby in the prison cell.

Speaking of agreeing with Lucy, I loved her comment in the end of the commentary that having the actresses act like "automatons" negated the emotional impact / connectiveness (something like that) of the entire show. THIS from someone who pretends NOT to notice such things!

Speaking of not noticing, Rob falls prey to the "talking and not listening" problem at the end of the commentary. He thinks the script didn't answer the question whether the women recalled the other world, when quite obviously IT DID.

"Did you really like my play."

Xena not only remembered it... she remembered NEO/Joxer's critique of it!

"Maybe it could've done with a few more fight scenes."


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I was serious when I said there were a half a trillion youtube vids devoted to this episode!

Well, semi-serious.

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30 music vids so far, and that's NOT including the Sappho poem which only had about 5 seconds in it from this show.

Seems to suggest this was a pretty inspiring hour of TV, don't you think?



Skip the first minute.

Trust me. ;)

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Aside #10.

I really like the bookends found within this episode, some intended by the author, and some not.

Lets first start with the "not intended" bookend, namely Neo AKA Joxer.

This character was NOT supposed to be our bumbling friend. He was just another Roman Centurion, albeit one who felt beholden to the Empress of Rome for saving his daughter.

Rob Tapert's intervention, his decision to offer the part to Ted EIGHT DAYS before priniciple photography began on the show was genius to me. Genius BECAUSE we know this man, in another life, is more than beholden to Gabrielle and Xena.

He's family.

He was called by his dreams to the foot of their crosses when they were crucified by Julius Caesar "so long ago". He crawled up the cross and caught Xena's body in his arms as it was released from the nails.

In this altered reality, he followed her out of the prison and stood by her side as she was nailed to the cross. He stayed there, out in the rain, as he watched her die on that cross. Was he praying for a quick death? Was he there, trying to lend her his strength?

We'll never know.

But the Empress knows that he was there, somewhere, and maybe somehow that gave her a modicum of solace since very few of us want to die "alone".

Second... The Assassination of Brutus. From the very beginning, we in the audience and Caesar in particular recall WHO orchestrated the orignal death of Caesar.

Et tu, Brutus?

We hear that speech tantalyze when Caesar faces his best friend in his office, after the wounding and jailing of the Empress of Rome.

"And what about you, Brutus?"

His fate was sealed the moment he showed even a morsel of compassion for the Warrior Empress. At least the bookend was symmetrical, as Caesar took it upon himself to kill his "good friend", rather than appoint some lackey or a gaggle of senators to do it for him.

Third... The Assassination of Caesar. Silly silly man. He thought by killing Brutus, and by crucifying Xena, he would escape his death at their hands/plans. But as the author says, his fate WASN'T to die by Brutus' hand, but to die by the UNEXPECTED hand. In this case... by Alti.

Fourth... The Destruction of Alti. Silly, silly woman. She thought by killing Xena, she would escape her fate. In the other world, she saw Xena kill her... or so she thought. Sadly, this Alti obviously didn't see the whole vision from "Adventures in the Sin trade"...

Alti: “Tell me who she is! Tell me who the blonde one is! Tell me who she is!”
Xena: “She’s goodness and innocence, Alti. And she’ll live inside me forever. She frightens you ‘cause she represents what can defeat you.”

Indeed, Xena, indeed.

Alti orchestrated the crucifixion of Empress Xena as much to protect herself as Caesar did to protect himself.

But what Alti didn't understand, was that it wasn't Xena who killed that "other" Alti in Siberia. It was the LOVE Xena had for Gabrielle that triumphed over Alti, just as it was the confused love the Athenian Playwright had for a Roman Empress she'd never seen 4 days just before, that defeated this Alti.

Fifth... Love.

Empress Xena: "In the third act, you had your hero throw himself over the
cliff with no fear of dying... all for her. Do you really believe that kind of love exists?"
Gabrielle: "That's what we all dream about, isn't it? Someone who looks so deeply into our soul that... they'd find something worth dying for."

Rob Tapert brings up no less than three times throughout his commentary the fact that TPTB desperately wanted to impart this idea that the playwright's life was UNfullfilled despite her great success.

We see, from their own conversation in the bedroom before and their actions after the balcony scene, that though there is affection between the Emperor and Empress, there isn't any real love.

Both women, highly successful in their chosen careers, are yet unfullfilled without that singular emotion... love.

The episode's author, Katherine Fugate, seemed to suggest in her interview that her plans for the ep were to excuse the "Evil" Xena phase in OUR Xena's past. She felt Xena should stop beating herself up over the wrongs she'd committed, and accept that without her evil past she would have never become the Warrior Princess we know and love. Without that history, she would have never been able to recognize Gabrielle when the two crossed paths.

Neat idea, I just disagree with it. Disagree since Ms Fugate seems to have shown us in her wonderful play, that THESE TWO would ultimately recognize each other, no matter where they were, or who they were.

Gabrielle: "Xena... when I'm with you... this emptiness that I have felt
my entire life is gone. You have to tell me what's going on."

and later in that same prison cell...

Xena: "I'll love you forever."

Sixth. Unintended? You be the judge. Rob in the episode commentary noted that TPTB always looked at Caesar's crucifixion on the beach to be the turning point for Evil Xena, the moment that "made" her. The Empress herself tells the Playwright...

Empress Xena: "In the other world, my destiny was linked to Caesar and that cross and I hated them both... but now I realize that everything happens precisely as it should... precisely."

But lets just think about that statement for a moment.

Evil Xena wasn't born when she was TIED to that cross... she wasn't even born when her legs were broken by that Centurion. She was BORN the moment a young woman, M'Lila, DIED to protect her worthless life.

Xena: (To the Roman kneeling before her) “You’ll be dead in thrity seconds. But know this... you won’t be the last.”
Xena: (To all the dead around her) “Tell Hades to prepare himself. A new Xena is born tonight...with a new purpose in life...”
Xena: “Death.”

If the final crucifixion was a bookend, then what does it bookend? If not the beach crucifixion in season 2, is it the winter one in season 4?

But that doesn't make sense. Xena was crucified WITH Gabrielle, and she went to that death with joy in her heart, able to express one last time how she truly felt and hear the words she longed to hear one more time.

Xena: "Gabrielle... you were the best thing in my life."
Gabrielle: "I love you, Xena."

But THAT doesn't bookend THIS death. Gabrielle is no where in sight, and although the Empress has blurted out her newly discovered feelings for the playwright, Gabrielle is still just a confused woman who's been sent away from Rome twice in two days by first the Empress of Rome and then by a prisoner of Rome. Even if both died somehow that day, there's no expectation that these two would find each other in the afterlife as they did once before.

So.

Where's the bookend?

Where does Xena die... without Gabrielle by her side?

Hmmmm?

Remember what Alti the High Priestess said as she battled the Empress in the green pasture over the Playwright's soul?

Alti: "Oh, yes it is! It's all about me... and what I know! Your story will end with your playwright unable to save her `Fallen Angel'."

Foreshadow alert.

GODS DAMN you, Alti!

GODS DAMN YOU to the depths of HELL!

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I love the angel story arc. fantastic story especially when they save calisto.

Loved that scene where Archangel Xena gives her light to the Demon Callisto. Also loved Hudson's description of the scene.

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:techman:

I just about had a COW at the end of "Seeds of Faith" when Callisto's soul is reborn as Xena's child.

:bolian:

I miss Callisto.

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And, I guess I should say a "formal" goodbye to (in order of disappearence)

Brutus.... http://miroirdarc.com/xwp/s6/wfc/xena_s6_wfc_dArc_175.jpg

Caesar... http://miroirdarc.com/xwp/s6/wfc/xena_s6_wfc_dArc_054.jpg

and of course...

ALTI! http://miroirdarc.com/xwp/s6/wfc/xena_s6_wfc_dArc_636.jpg

And, I suppose, a final goodbye to the episode that took me three weeks to review. ;)

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I TOLD you there was a half a trillion of these vids!

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I love the angel story arc. fantastic story especially when they save calisto.



I didn't, making Callisto nice killed the fire in her character, she was still cool, but not the same.

A lot of people said that but you just couldn't go much further with the character, she had to have some sort of resolution. That's why we had Alti as her replacement
 
I love the angel story arc. fantastic story especially when they save calisto.



I didn't, making Callisto nice killed the fire in her character, she was still cool, but not the same.

A lot of people said that but you just couldn't go much further with the character, she had to have some sort of resolution. That's why we had Alti as her replacement


I could of seen her going with a big bang, killing someone else, emotionally crippling Xena and being sent to hell forever for it, Callisto was the kind of bitch who'd rather burn in hell then be forgiven anyway, the idea of forgiveness disgusted her.
 
I didn't, making Callisto nice killed the fire in her character, she was still cool, but not the same.

A lot of people said that but you just couldn't go much further with the character, she had to have some sort of resolution. That's why we had Alti as her replacement


I could of seen her going with a big bang, killing someone else, emotionally crippling Xena and being sent to hell forever for it, Callisto was the kind of bitch who'd rather burn in hell then be forgiven anyway, the idea of forgiveness disgusted her.

True, Callisto wouldn't want "forgiveness", but she did want to stop hurting. And the emotional cripple that WAS Xena would want to erase what she had done to the girl that became Callisto.

I look at Callisto as THREE people.

The damaged woman we all love to hate/fear.

The reclaimed soul that tested Gabrielle's loving heart.

And the reincarnated daughter of Xena.

I absolutely loved it whenever Gabrielle or Xena would recollect that Eve WAS half Callisto!

From "Livia"

http://miroirdarc.com/xwp/s5/livia/xena_s5_livia_dArc132.jpg

Gabrielle: "Xena, she's alive. There's a chance that you can still be in her life."
Xena: "It's not gonna be easy. She has my darkness inside of her. She has Callisto's spirit. Those are tough odds to beat."
Gabrielle: "You did it."
Xena: "I had help."
Gabrielle: "She has us..."

From "Gurkhan"

http://miroirdarc.com/xwp/s6/wg/tcS6_WG_070.jpg

Eve: (Looking at Gabrielle) "She doesn't have what it takes to kill in cold blood. Do you think I inherited that talent from you, Mother?"
Xena: (Touches Eve's face) "You certainly had a gift."
Eve: (Shrugs, in embarassment) "Yeah... I did.

Here's 2 versions of your favorite Psychokiller!


Psycho Callisto:
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Livia has attitude:
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I would love it if lucy appears in game of thrones.

Well, I doubt Lucretia will survive the next season of Spartacus, so who knows? Maybe next year? ;)

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"I'll see him well satisfied."

Talk about a character I love to hate! :lol:
 
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No I haven't.

I have tried fanfics and have been pleasantly surprised by some, and ummm quite :alienblush: "scandalized" by others. ;)

ETA: Loved Lucy's comment at the 2007 con... "if you want it to be (subtext as maintext) I believe there are fansites you can go on..."
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But my absolute fav is still this one, by Leslie Ann Miller, set 20 years AFTER "Friends in Need".

http://xenafiction.net/scrolls/leslie_ann_miller_what_mother_never_told_me.html

Its freaking awesome! :bolian: :techman: :bolian:
 
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