Any mention of the royal family (UK) in trek lit?

[Kirks_Flying_Wig]

Enterprise: The Good That Men Do established that United Earth is a federated state, which means that every member polity gets to keep its own government to handle internal manners. There's no reason that United Earth can't have unitary ceremonial monarchies like the United Kingdom of Great Britain as member polities alongside federal parliamentary republics like the Federal Republic of Germany alongside unitary parliamentary republics like the State of Israel federal presidential republics like the United Mexican States alongside unitary presidential republics like the Republic of Chile.

I agree with that, I just found a bit weird that each constituency would have such different system of local government. It would be like having the Governor of Tennessee alongside with the King of New Jersey, the Glorious Leader of Texas and the Caliph of California.

For whatever it's worth, from 1776 to 1790, there was no Governor of Pennsylvania. Rather, the state was headed by the President of the Supreme Executive Council of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (with the Council comprising the executive branch), and from 1776 to 1792 ten men served as President of Delaware. And, mind you, George Washington first assumed office as President of the United States in 1789, and the other states were headed by governors. (Just think: If there had been a governor's convention in the White House, you would have had to specify who you meant if you were to shout out, "Mister President!")

So, really, the idea of a federal state's member polities have varying executive titles is not without precedent in real history.



I'm sure that within the larger United Earth, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom would remain the head of government for the U.K.

If memory serves, Federation did establish the surviving royals had gone into exile in Canada, so the question then is, once the Optimum Movement was overthrown, were the royals invited back... or was there anything left for them to come back to?

*shrugs* It also begs the question of whether or not Federation and its Optimum Movement should be seen as in continuity, in whole or in part, with what Star Trek: First Contact, ENT, and The Lost Era: The Sundered established about 21st Century Earth.

I also seem to recall that either Mack's A Time To duology or KRAD's Articles established that Buckingham Palace was used for Federation state events, which either means the Windsors had been kicked out, or maybe had moved into more modern digs by the 24th century.

Both, actually. A Time to Kill featured Buckingham Palace being used to host a state dinner for Federation Councillors and the Federation President, and Articles explained that the London Dinner was an annual event held for newly-elected and other select Councillors.

That doesn't necessarily mean that the British Monarch is no longer in residence in Buckingham Palace, though, or that the Monarchy has been abolished. Buckingham Palace is big, and it's by no means outside of the realm of possibility that the Federation government uses the Palace by invitation of the Monarch.

And in the present day, Buckingham Palace is the monarch's official residence for only a few months a year (when she's not shooting grouse in the Highlands or burning down Windsor Castle), so it's not inconceivable that, if the monarcy is still going in the 24th century, Federation events at the palace are scheduled only when the monarch is not there.

 

[iguana_tonante]

For whatever it's worth, from 1776 to 1790, there was no Governor of Pennsylvania. Rather, the state was headed by the President of the Supreme Executive Council of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (with the Council comprising the executive branch), and from 1776 to 1792 ten men served as President of Delaware. And, mind you, George Washington first assumed office as President of the United States in 1789, and the other states were headed by governors. (Just think: If there had been a governor's convention in the White House, you would have had to specify who you meant if you were to shout out, "Mister President!")

So, really, the idea of a federal state's member polities have varying executive titles is not without precedent in real history.

Very interesting note, thank you.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

I agree with that, I just found a bit weird that each constituency would have such different system of local government. It would be like having the Governor of Tennessee alongside with the King of New Jersey, the Glorious Leader of Texas and the Caliph of California.

For whatever it's worth, from 1776 to 1790, there was no Governor of Pennsylvania. Rather, the state was headed by the President of the Supreme Executive Council of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (with the Council comprising the executive branch), and from 1776 to 1792 ten men served as President of Delaware. And, mind you, George Washington first assumed office as President of the United States in 1789, and the other states were headed by governors. (Just think: If there had been a governor's convention in the White House, you would have had to specify who you meant if you were to shout out, "Mister President!")

So, really, the idea of a federal state's member polities have varying executive titles is not without precedent in real history.



I'm sure that within the larger United Earth, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom would remain the head of government for the U.K.



*shrugs* It also begs the question of whether or not Federation and its Optimum Movement should be seen as in continuity, in whole or in part, with what Star Trek: First Contact, ENT, and The Lost Era: The Sundered established about 21st Century Earth.

I also seem to recall that either Mack's A Time To duology or KRAD's Articles established that Buckingham Palace was used for Federation state events, which either means the Windsors had been kicked out, or maybe had moved into more modern digs by the 24th century.

Both, actually. A Time to Kill featured Buckingham Palace being used to host a state dinner for Federation Councillors and the Federation President, and Articles explained that the London Dinner was an annual event held for newly-elected and other select Councillors.

That doesn't necessarily mean that the British Monarch is no longer in residence in Buckingham Palace, though, or that the Monarchy has been abolished. Buckingham Palace is big, and it's by no means outside of the realm of possibility that the Federation government uses the Palace by invitation of the Monarch.

And in the present day, Buckingham Palace is the monarch's official residence for only a few months a year (when she's not shooting grouse in the Highlands or burning down Windsor Castle), so it's not inconceivable that, if the monarcy is still going in the 24th century, Federation events at the palace are scheduled only when the monarch is not there.

There's no reason why the monarch couldn't host the event. That's how it works now. They foreign hoohahs meet with the turkey in No. 10 for the politics and the bullshit, and they go and be entertained at Buck Palace for the photo ops and the glam.

 

[Csalem]

Isn't Windsor the residence while Buckingham Palace is more the 'office' of the Queen?

 

[unusualsuspex]

Darn it, I'm SURE I remember reading in at least one Trek novel about King William(?) of England. I'm SURE I did nurse, honestly!

 

[JoeP]

Any mention of the White House still being around? I'm a bit of a WH buff and would get a kick out of reading a scene taking place there...

 

[Sci]

Any mention of the White House still being around? I'm a bit of a WH buff and would get a kick out of reading a scene taking place there...

Well, we know from "Eleven Hours Out," a short story in Tales of the Dominion War, that there's still a President of the United States in 2375. And Spock's World established that the U.S. Presidency still existed during Sarek's time, too.

The closest thing to any information we have on the survival of the White House itself that I know of comes from the novelization for Star Trek: First Contact, where it's established that Washington, D.C., and the surrounding area is completely destroyed by a nuclear attack in the opening shots of World War III.

However, that's seemingly contradicted by the Corps of Engineers novel Ghosts, which Memory Beta tells me establishes that D.C. is a crowded metropolis with a Starfleet Medical Forensics Division office and in which Georgetown survives.

Isn't Windsor the residence while Buckingham Palace is more the 'office' of the Queen?

As I understand it, Buckingham Palace is the official London residence. Windsor Castle in Berkshire and Holyrood Palace in Edinburgh are the Monarch's other official residences. Sandringham House in Norfolk, England, and Balmoral Castle in Aberdeenshire, Scotland, are considered the private property of the person inhabiting the Throne rather than official property of the Crown itself.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The closest thing to any information we have on the survival of the White House itself that I know of comes from the novelization for Star Trek: First Contact, where it's established that Washington, D.C., and the surrounding area is completely destroyed by a nuclear attack in the opening shots of World War III.

However, that's seemingly contradicted by the Corps of Engineers novel Ghosts, which Memory Beta tells me establishes that D.C. is a crowded metropolis with a Starfleet Medical Forensics Division office and in which Georgetown survives.

The city could have been rebuilt.

 

[JoeP]

Any mention of the White House still being around? I'm a bit of a WH buff and would get a kick out of reading a scene taking place there...

Well, we know from "Eleven Hours Out," a short story in Tales of the Dominion War, that there's still a President of the United States in 2375. And Spock's World established that the U.S. Presidency still existed during Sarek's time, too.

The closest thing to any information we have on the survival of the White House itself that I know of comes from the novelization for Star Trek: First Contact, where it's established that Washington, D.C., and the surrounding area is completely destroyed by a nuclear attack in the opening shots of World War III.

However, that's seemingly contradicted by the Corps of Engineers novel Ghosts, which Memory Beta tells me establishes that D.C. is a crowded metropolis with a Starfleet Medical Forensics Division office and in which Georgetown survives.

Cool! Thanks for the info.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I could swear that Malcolm Reed once made a comment about "King and Country", but I don't recall if it was in a book or an episode.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Any mention of the White House still being around? I'm a bit of a WH buff and would get a kick out of reading a scene taking place there...

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eujwxh_r43E[/YT]

 

[JoeP]

Any mention of the White House still being around? I'm a bit of a WH buff and would get a kick out of reading a scene taking place there...

Ha! I much prefer this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNJADvUMHNs&hl=en&fs=1&&hl=en&fs=1&

 

[Stevil2001]

I think it's Ishmael (or some other 1970s TOS novel) that refers to D.C. as just a bunch of crumbling monuments, strongly implying it's a place with no more political significance.

 

[T'Ressa Dax]

I could swear that Malcolm Reed once made a comment about "King and Country", but I don't recall if it was in a book or an episode.

Broken Bow, page 35. After Reed and Mayweather exit the transporter.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Any mention of the White House still being around? I'm a bit of a WH buff and would get a kick out of reading a scene taking place there...

Ha! I much prefer this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNJADvUMHNs

(Can't figure out how to embed... )

use [yt]

 

[JoeP]

Ha! I much prefer this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNJADvUMHNs

(Can't figure out how to embed... )

use [yt]

NICE! Thanks!