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Any mention of the royal family (UK) in trek lit?

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Sir Patrick Stewart's knighting got me to thinking: Just curious if the British royal family of the trek era has ever been mentioned in trek lit? Earth, of course, is administered under a world government of sorts, but I was wondering if any of the royal families of Earth are postulated to still exist in the future, albeit in a diminished capacity.
 
Sir Patrick Stewart's knighting got me to thinking: Just curious if the British royal family of the trek era has ever been mentioned in trek lit? Earth, of course, is administered under a world government of sorts, but I was wondering if any of the royal families of Earth are postulated to still exist in the future, albeit in a diminished capacity.

An interesting question. :) My personal feeling is that they're gone, but I don't recall any evidence either way. Perhaps the royals all died during the bombings of World War III and the monarchy was done away with? If they are there still, I imagine they're even more ceremonial than they are now.

Interestingly, many Federation worlds, including Betazed, Vulcan, Andor and the Rigel worlds have been shown as retaining ceremonial leading families. "Catalyst of Sorrows" speaks of the First Families of Rigel, the noble houses of Betazed are still in evidence,, as we know, the leading families of Vulcan still have symbolic authority and Andorian clans of note enjoy similar official or unofficial status, or so it's been implied many times. Even the Hermat representative on the Federation Council has a name in the 800s, by far the highest Hermat number we've seen (implying s/he is from an old established family). So, I guess Earth cultures might retain ceremonial ruling families too...
 
I know it's not a "royal family" per se, but the President of the United States was mentioned in a recent book (I can't remember exactly which one, maybe Beneath the Raptor's Wing?), so that position, even if it's probably largely ceremonial, still lasts for another couple centuries....
 
I know it's not a "royal family" per se, but the President of the United States was mentioned in a recent book (I can't remember exactly which one, maybe Beneath the Raptor's Wing?), so that position, even if it's probably largely ceremonial, still lasts for another couple centuries....

Yeah, and the President of the USA still exists in the 24th century, too, in 2375, as he joined the United Earth Prime Minister and President Zife in touring battle-raveged San Fransisco in "Tales of the Dominion War". :)
 
Sir Patrick Stewart's knighting got me to thinking: Just curious if the British royal family of the trek era has ever been mentioned in trek lit? Earth, of course, is administered under a world government of sorts, but I was wondering if any of the royal families of Earth are postulated to still exist in the future, albeit in a diminished capacity.

I hope not, I really do.
 
Wasn't there a reference to the Royal Family in Federation? I seem to recall they were in hiding at the time the 21st century scenes of the novel were set.
 
Federation by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens established that the Optimum movement had overthrown the Royal Family and transformed the United Kingdom into a republican dictatorship before World War III. Your mileage may vary on whether or not that information is still consistent with everything that's been established about 21st Century Earth since Star Trek: First Contact opened.

We know from TNG's "The High Ground" that in 2025, Northern Ireland joined the Irish republic, leaving the United Kingdom with only the island of Great Britain and the Channel Islands. ENT Season One established that the Royal Navy still existed as late as Malcolm Reed's early 20s, as his father was upset with him for choosing to join the United Earth Starfleet rather than the United Kingdom Royal Navy.

Given that, I'm inclined to think that the British Royal Family still reigns in a ceremonial fashion as constitutional monarchs over the United Kingdom of Great Britain, with the United Kingdom as a constituent polity of the federal United Earth.

As for the other Commonwealth Realms...

We know from The Good That Men Do and Kobayashi Maru that at some point, the Commonwealth of Australia became the Independent Republic of Australia, and that the Independent Republic of Australia was the last state to join United Earth in 2150. So that rather firmly establishes that Australia ceased to be a Commonwealth realm and that the Australian Monarchy was abolished and that the Australian Royal Family (which is simultaneously the British Royal Family) no longer reigns.

We know from TNG's "Lower Decks" that Canada still exists in the 24th Century, but we have no information on whether Canada has remained a Commonwealth Realm or become a republic. So no idea if the Canadian Monarchy still exists. Same with New Zealand -- we know from VOY's "Caretaker" and DS9's "Dr. Bashir, I Presume?" that New Zealand still exists, but we do not know if the New Zealand Monarchy still exists.
 
Given the supposed integration of the United Earth, with a single Prime Minister, it's difficult to say, but I think it's possible that various royal families are still around, even with mostly ceremonial roles. Searching for a present day parallel, I would say they could become like the Lord Mayor of London, separate from the office of the "real" mayor, and whose role is mostly to uphold some traditions and put up a show for the tourists...
 
Given the supposed integration of the United Earth, with a single Prime Minister, it's difficult to say, but I think it's possible that various royal families are still around, even with mostly ceremonial roles. Searching for a present day parallel, I would say they could become like the Lord Mayor of London, separate from the office of the "real" mayor, and whose role is mostly to uphold some traditions and put up a show for the tourists...

Enterprise: The Good That Men Do established that United Earth is a federated state, which means that every member polity gets to keep its own government to handle internal manners. There's no reason that United Earth can't have unitary ceremonial monarchies like the United Kingdom of Great Britain as member polities alongside federal parliamentary republics like the Federal Republic of Germany alongside unitary parliamentary republics like the State of Israel federal presidential republics like the United Mexican States alongside unitary presidential republics like the Republic of Chile.
 
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^ Indeed, since the British Royal Navy apparently still exists as of ENT's time...although that could have been just nostalgia on Stuart Reed's part.
 
well, as there are no werewolves in the Trek universe as far as I know...I'd say no.

Pffft. They're not actually werewolves. Just alien lifeforms that strongly resemble werewolves!

;)

But, considering that First Contact in the Trekverse happens on 5 April 2063 with the landing of the T'Plana-Hath in Bozeman, Montana, rather than March 2006 with the destruction of Big Ben...
 
Enterprise: The Good That Men Do established that United Earth is a federated state, which means that every member polity gets to keep its own government to handle internal manners. There's no reason that United Earth can't have unitary ceremonial monarchies like the United Kingdom of Great Britain as member polities alongside federal parliamentary republics like the Federal Republic of Germany alongside unitary parliamentary republics like the State of Israel federal presidential republics like the United Mexican States alongside unitary presidential republics like the Republic of Chile.

I've not read as many Trek books as most people on this board, actually, I've just begun, but this has been my vision of how Earth is during the time of Trek. Each country gets to keep their own government for internal matters, and this would mean the royal family, provided they weren't overthrown.
 
We know from TNG's "Lower Decks" that Canada still exists in the 24th Century, but we have no information on whether Canada has remained a Commonwealth Realm or become a republic.

...or a member state of the USA lol

I think it's safe to say that that would never happen. Canadians value their independence and sovereignty as much as any other nation, and the United States has no imperial intentions towards Canada.
 
Enterprise: The Good That Men Do established that United Earth is a federated state, which means that every member polity gets to keep its own government to handle internal manners. There's no reason that United Earth can't have unitary ceremonial monarchies like the United Kingdom of Great Britain as member polities alongside federal parliamentary republics like the Federal Republic of Germany alongside unitary parliamentary republics like the State of Israel federal presidential republics like the United Mexican States alongside unitary presidential republics like the Republic of Chile.
I agree with that, I just found a bit weird that each constituency would have such different system of local government. It would be like having the Governor of Tennessee alongside with the King of New Jersey, the Glorious Leader of Texas and the Caliph of California. ;)

More seriously, I was just wondering if, in such a system, they would keep the the ceremonial head of state (the King or Queen) along with the actual head of government (the Prime Minister of UK, for example), beside touristic reason. You don't see many Earls or Dukes having actual/ceremonial power over their former lands, nowadays.
 
...or a member state of the USA lol

I think it's safe to say that that would never happen. Canadians value their independence and sovereignty as much as any other nation, and the United States has no imperial intentions towards Canada.

Well, I think the surviving nations of the world would all pretty much be states within the federal government of United Earth. Although WWIII probably redraws the map to some extent.
 
Federation by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens established that the Optimum movement had overthrown the Royal Family and transformed the United Kingdom into a republican dictatorship before World War III. Your mileage may vary on whether or not that information is still consistent with everything that's been established about 21st Century Earth since Star Trek: First Contact opened.
If memory serves, Federation did establish the surviving royals had gone into exile in Canada, so the question then is, once the Optimum Movement was overthrown, were the royals invited back... or was there anything left for them to come back to?

I also seem to recall that either Mack's A Time To duology or KRAD's Articles established that Buckingham Palace was used for Federation state events, which either means the Windsors had been kicked out, or maybe had moved into more modern digs by the 24th century.
 
Enterprise: The Good That Men Do established that United Earth is a federated state, which means that every member polity gets to keep its own government to handle internal manners. There's no reason that United Earth can't have unitary ceremonial monarchies like the United Kingdom of Great Britain as member polities alongside federal parliamentary republics like the Federal Republic of Germany alongside unitary parliamentary republics like the State of Israel federal presidential republics like the United Mexican States alongside unitary presidential republics like the Republic of Chile.

I agree with that, I just found a bit weird that each constituency would have such different system of local government. It would be like having the Governor of Tennessee alongside with the King of New Jersey, the Glorious Leader of Texas and the Caliph of California. ;)

For whatever it's worth, from 1776 to 1790, there was no Governor of Pennsylvania. Rather, the state was headed by the President of the Supreme Executive Council of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (with the Council comprising the executive branch), and from 1776 to 1792 ten men served as President of Delaware. And, mind you, George Washington first assumed office as President of the United States in 1789, and the other states were headed by governors. (Just think: If there had been a governor's convention in the White House, you would have had to specify who you meant if you were to shout out, "Mister President!")

So, really, the idea of a federal state's member polities have varying executive titles is not without precedent in real history.

More seriously, I was just wondering if, in such a system, they would keep the the ceremonial head of state (the King or Queen) along with the actual head of government (the Prime Minister of UK, for example), beside touristic reason. You don't see many Earls or Dukes having actual/ceremonial power over their former lands, nowadays.

I'm sure that within the larger United Earth, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom would remain the head of government for the U.K.

Federation by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens established that the Optimum movement had overthrown the Royal Family and transformed the United Kingdom into a republican dictatorship before World War III. Your mileage may vary on whether or not that information is still consistent with everything that's been established about 21st Century Earth since Star Trek: First Contact opened.

If memory serves, Federation did establish the surviving royals had gone into exile in Canada, so the question then is, once the Optimum Movement was overthrown, were the royals invited back... or was there anything left for them to come back to?

*shrugs* It also begs the question of whether or not Federation and its Optimum Movement should be seen as in continuity, in whole or in part, with what Star Trek: First Contact, ENT, and The Lost Era: The Sundered established about 21st Century Earth.

I also seem to recall that either Mack's A Time To duology or KRAD's Articles established that Buckingham Palace was used for Federation state events, which either means the Windsors had been kicked out, or maybe had moved into more modern digs by the 24th century.

Both, actually. A Time to Kill featured Buckingham Palace being used to host a state dinner for Federation Councillors and the Federation President, and Articles explained that the London Dinner was an annual event held for newly-elected and other select Councillors.

That doesn't necessarily mean that the British Monarch is no longer in residence in Buckingham Palace, though, or that the Monarchy has been abolished. Buckingham Palace is big, and it's by no means outside of the realm of possibility that the Federation government uses the Palace by invitation of the Monarch.
 
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We know from TNG's "Lower Decks" that Canada still exists in the 24th Century, but we have no information on whether Canada has remained a Commonwealth Realm or become a republic.

...or a member state of the USA lol

I think it's safe to say that that would never happen. Canadians value their independence and sovereignty as much as any other nation, and the United States has no imperial intentions towards Canada.

Meh. If we ever elect another Republican, when we run out of wood and bacon, look out. You suckers are getting invaded, occupied, and annexed. :p
 
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