Any fellow 'UFO/ET-ologists' here? :)

[The Castellan]

I've been listening sporadically to Coast to Coast lately, and I agree with the trend in thought that states aliens and some UFOs are more of a quantum phenomenon than, say, a strictly physical space ship.
I think the crashes have got to be mostly, if not all, government or secret ops projects, simply because it makes no sense that an advanced civilization that can travel galaxies in spaceships would then crash upon reaching Earth. The thought that multiple alien ships have crashed here is beyond ludicrous. If they can get here, they're not going to crash.

Depends on what CAUSES the crashes. Sometimes it could be lightening, since with Roswell, it was stormy that time I heard.

Also, who's the say it's accidental....I would not put it past the American government and millitary to purposely take down alien ships. Sorta like in the movie Starman, the aliens get the 'please come to Earth' message, BUT what happens when the alien got here, he/it got shot down and then hunted. I could easily see that happen for real.

Will be interesting when the big day comes....will America announce it...or will it be another country?

 

[Jeri]

I've been listening sporadically to Coast to Coast lately, and I agree with the trend in thought that states aliens and some UFOs are more of a quantum phenomenon than, say, a strictly physical space ship.
I think the crashes have got to be mostly, if not all, government or secret ops projects, simply because it makes no sense that an advanced civilization that can travel galaxies in spaceships would then crash upon reaching Earth. The thought that multiple alien ships have crashed here is beyond ludicrous. If they can get here, they're not going to crash.

They could; they're electromagnetic by accounts. The Roswell crash supposedly happened due to a strong electrical storm. Many, many accounts have them siphoning off electrical current by power plants and towers. Also, since they are a long way from home, all they have for maintenance is what they carry with them. They could be held together with alien duct tape. The accounts of them being seen are clearly mistakes; they're not supposed to be visible. The do make errors and have malfunctions, according to that.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I read a lot about Flying Saucers and Ancient Astronauts when I was a kid, and I still do sometimes. I'm a skeptic, so I need proof to believe in this stuff. I'd be really happy to find out that at least some of it was true, though.

 

[CaptainStoner]

Depends on what CAUSES the crashes. Sometimes it could be lightening, since with Roswell, it was stormy that time I heard.

It just baffles my mind, anyway, to think that a vessel capable of traversing galactic distances is then taken down by a storm.
But, if we were talking something else, other than a highly advanced space vessel, some kind of quantum or organic, even living UFO, who knows ~

They could; they're electromagnetic by accounts. The Roswell crash supposedly happened due to a strong electrical storm. Many, many accounts have them siphoning off electrical current by power plants and towers. Also, since they are a long way from home, all they have for maintenance is what they carry with them. They could be held together with alien duct tape. The accounts of them being seen are clearly mistakes; they're not supposed to be visible. The do make errors and have malfunctions, according to that.

It's interesting stuff, I like to hear about it. The kind of UFO's you're describing sound less like a spaceship to me also, and more like some kind of lifeforms.

But to take the brakes off, there is interesting speculation that Earth is visited a lot, as a sort of zoo/tourist spot. Now if the Earth is being visited millions of times a year by intergalactic tourists, then the frequency of sightings might make more sense.
And maybe a false assumption is that the alien tech is that advanced. The aliens in possession of the tech might not even understand it all, is another possibility - how many drivers can fix much of anything on their own car?

 

[RAMA]

I don't have anything bad to say, but there is no such thing as a UFOlogist.

 

[Jeri]

Captain Stoner, there was this rather humorous account by a farmer (in New England, IIRC) who saw a small ship land in his fields. There were two guys standing around the ship, like they were working on it. He walked up there and spoke to them. They turned, surprised, and asked -- telepathically, as in most accounts -- if he could see them. He said sure he could, and they said they weren't supposed to be visible. So, they didn't know they were. The farmer also said these two claimed they only got to make the trip every so often. So some logistics were at work, either physical or schedule.

P.S. I wanted to post this review of The Fourth Kind by Budd Hopkins. Some of you may know who he is. The review is at: http://www.intrudersfoundation.org/Forth_Kind.html

THE FOURTH KIND
A MOVIE TO AVOID

By Budd Hopkins​

On Tuesday, Nov. 3, as I sat in a theater being bombarded with soundtrack noise - screams – many screams – and melodramatic, over-the-top music, I was watching the new, self-described UFO abuction film, The Fourth Kind, and wondering how the screenwriters could get so many things wrong. Ostensibly set in Nome, Alaska – which, by the way, looks ravishingly pretty in the film’s many elaborate aerial views - the plot is focused on a therapist and her clients who have apparently suffered UFO abductions, and at least one of these “abductees,” the therapist’s little daughter, seems to have been taken for good. The film moves along, more or less propelled by fake hypnosis sessions in which virtually every subject screams bloody murder. One man, grotesquely unhinged by what he remembers during one such session, actually commits murder, blowing away his innocent wife, his two children and himself. And in this and every other case shown in the movie, apart from an owl at the window no one has previously remembered anything about his or her abduction experiences until hypnosis finally unlocks the ghastly, unbearable truth and the screaming starts.

Underlying all of this fictional, never before reported malarky, the film’s pseudo-documentary style strains to convince us that everything depicted is “supported by actual case material.” Well, after thirty-three years of working with hundreds upon hundreds people reporting UFO abduction experiences, I can say, first, that in no case has anyone ever reported the permanent disappearance of a friend, a family member or anyone even vaguely connected with my huge pool of subjects. The sort of final, “taken-by-the-aliens disappearance” that the film suggests simply doesn’t happen - though, unfortunately, this tragic turn in the screenplay could disturb many uninformed people in a real-world audience.

Second, the hyper-emotional reactions mimed by the actors are almost non-existent in competently conducted hypnosis sessions. I’ve observed actual screams in perhaps six or seven of the nearly two thousand hypnosis sessions I’ve been present for, or carried out myself, over three decades, and have never seen the kind of mindless terror, vomiting and crashing about that the movie graphically, and shamelessly, forces upon the audience.

In a third bizarre invention, the screenwriters have entangled an ancient Sumerian language with the abduction phenomenon, so in this movie the aliens apparently speak Sumerian. Why is that, especially when communication in abduction experiences is almost inevitably telepathic? Is it because this tasty bit of fiction allows the camera to pan over a museum full of scary-looking ancient artifacts?
I could go on and on with the issues of fact, taste and simple plotting that I have with this movie, but I haven’t the heart or the patience to do so. The bottom line is this: save your $12.50 or whatever a ticket costs at your local theater, and if you should suspect that you may have had an abduction experience, absolutely stay away. Such a viewer could be deeply unsettled by this noisy, fictional mishmash, which, as I’ve said, involves murder, gunfire and suicide, as well as seemingly endless minutes of blurred, fake video imagery which the filmmakers insist is “real.” (Mercifully, no special-effects aliens or UFOs are actually depicted.)

Despite the “unbearable terrors” of hypnotic recall that this movie claims to demonstrate, if a person should undergo hypnotic exploration of partially recalled abduction experiences, that individual will not pick up a pistol afterwards and shoot somebody, none of her family members will be permanently abducted, and he probably won’t do very much helpless screaming. Those things seem to happen only in certain kinds of lurid sci-fi or horror movies, of which The Fourth Kind is an extremely unfortunate mixture.

 

[Lonemagpie]

~To any hardcore skeptics and debunkers, please keep nasty comments and name calling to a minimum, mmmkay?~


As the title says, any fellow people here who seen, observes, and study UFO's, ET's, and other such things?

You can have skeptical UFOlogists, you know...

As for me...

I believe alien life must, mathematically, exist, but don't believe that Earth is the galactic 7-11 for picking up discount abductees at any hour.

I have seen a good UFO - a sort of hollow ball of fire rising out of some trees and flying away, which was definitely not just an fireball from an explosion - but I'm afraid I believe it was a perfectly natural atmospheric phenomenon of some kind, not a ship from Zeta Reticuli IV.

Nevertheless, in my career as a writer, I do find lots of inspiration in all types and extremes of Forteana...

 

[Jeri]

Well, don't bet on that old chestnut, "ball lightning." James E. McDonald, an atmospheric scientist, knew all about ball lightning -- and the skeptibunkers who at best were astronomers, had no idea what they were talking about. He proved that.

I'm not what could be called a believer, but "debunkers" is too generous a term for some of those so-called skeptics. They use personal prejudice and bad science as much as the worst so-called UFOlogists do.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Well, don't bet on that old chestnut, "ball lightning." James E. McDonald, an atmospheric scientist, knew all about ball lightning -- and the skeptibunkers who at best were astronomers, had no idea what they were talking about. He proved that.

Oh, whatever I saw was far too big and distant to be ball lighting (which AIUI is generally only a few inches across, at best.)

I'm not what could be called a believer, but "debunkers" is too generous a term for some of those so-called skeptics. They use personal prejudice and bad science as much as the worst so-called UFOlogists do.

Very true. It's also frustrating that the phenomena - and I mean the high-strangeness cases, not ones that can be explained by military tests and the like - aren't studied more fairly to find out *why* people have such impossible or ludicrous experiences. I mean, if it's psychological, what's the mechanism? If it's triggered by some physical cause, e.g. an EM anomaly triggering temporal lobe epilepsy, then we surely want to know where this happens and how and why, because even if they're not ETs the trigger conditions might still be a navigational hazard to drivers or pilots...

 

[RJDiogenes]

Today was Flying Saucer Day on History Channel.

 

[Lookingglassman]

About the only thing I saw was a satellite once. It looked like a star, but it was moving too fast to be a star. It wasnt burning so I ruled out it being a meteor. It jsut looked like a point of light slowly moving past the stars until it disappeared from view.