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He was The Master I grew up with. Does anyone know why the actor died? I've read where he was very private, and coupled with his eternal bachelorhood, was he gay?

The interesting thing I find about the man was that he was independently wealthy, and thus had the option of playing only the role of The Master, and then Cricketing the rest of the time. For some reason he just loved playing The Master, and that's all. I wonder why?

Anyone got any insights on this guy?

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I think it's pretty well known that he had a rather over-inflated sense of his own importance to the DW world, looking for (relatively) massive sums of money for convention appearance and the like. When Big Finish approached him to appear in some of their audios he was looking for more money than any of the Doctors get paid for doing them.
 
I met him at a convention here in Denver around 1982. Both he and Sarah Sutton were great.
 
I think it's pretty well known that he had a rather over-inflated sense of his own importance to the DW world, looking for (relatively) massive sums of money for convention appearance and the like. When Big Finish approached him to appear in some of their audios he was looking for more money than any of the Doctors get paid for doing them.

Yeah, I knew he had something of a head on him when it came to The Master. I just find it fascinating as to how or why he became obsessed with the character. He didn't really do alot of interviews did he?

I met him at a convention here in Denver around 1982. Both he and Sarah Sutton were great.

I have never heard anything negative about him, except from that article/interview Gary Downie did for DWM a couple of years back. Called him a "bully". However, all the fans I've ever heard talk about him says he was awesome. Go figure, really.

So, I guess we don't know why he died or anything about his personal life, huh?

Also...seems like a tangent...but here's my personal pick to play an incarnation of The Master....Crispin Glover...

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He was The Master I grew up with. Does anyone know why the actor died? I've read where he was very private, and coupled with his eternal bachelorhood, was he gay?

The interesting thing I find about the man was that he was independently wealthy, and thus had the option of playing only the role of The Master, and then Cricketing the rest of the time. For some reason he just loved playing The Master, and that's all. I wonder why?

Anyone got any insights on this guy?

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Well i don't think anybody can offer any positive insight into what he died of, because it seems he was a very private man, but i don't think we should be labeling the man gay or even insinuating it simply because he was a very private person or a bachelor.

I just hope he had a happy life and shuffled off this mortal coil in a peaceful fashion.
 
Understand, I mean no disrespect to him or his memory by being inquisitive. It doesn't matter to me if he was gay, straight, or martian. But the very nature of his privacy draws my curiosity, thus I ask questions and attempt to ascertain which elements of himself he was hiding from public eye... :techman:
 
Understand, I mean no disrespect to him or his memory by being inquisitive. It doesn't matter to me if he was gay, straight, or martian. But the very nature of his privacy draws my curiosity, thus I ask questions and attempt to ascertain which elements of himself he was hiding from public eye... :techman:
Yes but you have nobody to ask those questions of, I mean what are you going to do? Walk up to his grave and ask him if he packed fudge? ;)
 
Eh, when it comes to Doctor Who, I've learned many things I didn't know from fans here. Just curious to see if there was an article, interview, or insight that I may not have known about.

Not to mention, I find it odd his cause of death is not known...
 
It's known, it was just never released. But guys - he was 71. It's not unusual to die of relatively natural causes at that age, especially if you're an independently wealthy man who has no partner to tell you to lay off the booze and cigs. :)

In his last Doctor Who appearances, the three years between "Trial of a Time Lord" and "Survival" weren't terribly kind to him. He'd gained a lot of weight (which REALLY showed in his final outfit) and there was much more gray than previously (though it was probably dyend anyway). Then in that video game appearance, he looked a heckuva lot thinner to my eyes. There's not too much to pick from that since there were many years between these appearances, but IMO in his later years he was not in great health.

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I was part of a team running conventions in the 1980's. At that time, conventions were not the big commercial money makers they are now, but were run with all porfits going to charity. Actors attended for no fees. He was the only person who ever asked for a fee.
 
The Times' obituary for him listed cause of death as cancer.

And if the stories I've heard are true (which they probably are, being from others who worked with him) he wasn't gay - though nothing precludes him from having been bi.
 
When Big Finish approached him to appear in some of their audios he was looking for more money than any of the Doctors get paid for doing them.

He also wanted script and casting assurances IIRC, that none of the Doctors had. I don't think money was the largest problem they could have got him in to record his role in several stories at once if it was.

It's a shame he never got to do more than the one commentary (for his non-master role in his debut), as it sounds like he enjoyed being paid to chat to co-stars!

I gather he was quite generous to fans who wrote to him for autographs.
 
I never could really get into his Master, but that was more a fault of the writing, not his acting. Roger Delgado was so great...
 
I would tend to remember him as one of the 'good guys'.
He could be a bit prickly - the first time I met him I was asking him if there was any chance of an interview, and he started from the assumption that I'd probably been nasty about him in fanzine reviews and wanted proof that I hadn't. But once past that...
And he was somewhat notoriously for only signing his name properly (rather than as AA) if you'd paid for an autographed photo. But...
...at one convention, where he was being very rigourous in charging adult fans for autographs, I saw this terrified kid whose mother had encouraged him to approach The Master and ask if he'd autograph his Target book of [whatever story]. Ainley did it without hesitation, and then found one of the photographs he was autograph-selling, and signed that for the kid as well, no suggestion of charge.

As for his passing... I thought it was accepted that (like a lot of actors) there was a bit of difference between his official age, and the real one. So if you add a few years to that offical 71, there's really no reason to speculate on anything beyond natural causes.
 
The Times' obituary for him listed cause of death as cancer.

THANK you! I was wondering if it were listed somewhere. That's what I was curious about. Thanks! :techman:

When Big Finish approached him to appear in some of their audios he was looking for more money than any of the Doctors get paid for doing them.

He also wanted script and casting assurances IIRC, that none of the Doctors had. I don't think money was the largest problem they could have got him in to record his role in several stories at once if it was.

It's a shame he never got to do more than the one commentary (for his non-master role in his debut), as it sounds like he enjoyed being paid to chat to co-stars!

I gather he was quite generous to fans who wrote to him for autographs.

That seems to be a common theme I'm seeing here. He was relatively generous to his fans, but demanded superior compensation for his act from his employers. It's interesting. I wonder if that was because he felt he deserved it, and that The Master was as equal, if not more important a character than The Doctor? Or was it, perhaps, that he wanted to make certain he made the proper amount of budget, as The Master was his only source of income? And since many have said he was independently wealthy, I would probably lean towards the former.

I never could really get into his Master, but that was more a fault of the writing, not his acting. Roger Delgado was so great...

Yeah, Ainley was good but Delgado was great.

I don't think you can compare them, as they're written as two really different incarnations of The Master. Look at Derek Jacobi, Eric Roberts, John Simm, and Geoffrey Beavers/Peter Pratt. Who or what is The Master? You can say that Delgado defined the role, and thus that's the "proper" was to play The Master. But, then you would have to say that Hartnell's Doctor is the only "right" interpretation. I think both arguments fail equally there.

Delgado was sinister, methodical, and simply one of the best Masters we've seen so far. Ainley was sinister, campy, and a bit OTT. Were either performance simply down to the man? Or wouldn't it be more prudent to say that Delgado's writing took him far more seriously? Compare Ainley and Simms. People rave about the John Simms Master. But, wasn't he just as OTT as Ainley's?

It's all apples and jelly babies... ;)

I would tend to remember him as one of the 'good guys'.
He could be a bit prickly - the first time I met him I was asking him if there was any chance of an interview, and he started from the assumption that I'd probably been nasty about him in fanzine reviews and wanted proof that I hadn't. But once past that...
And he was somewhat notoriously for only signing his name properly (rather than as AA) if you'd paid for an autographed photo. But...
...at one convention, where he was being very rigourous in charging adult fans for autographs, I saw this terrified kid whose mother had encouraged him to approach The Master and ask if he'd autograph his Target book of [whatever story]. Ainley did it without hesitation, and then found one of the photographs he was autograph-selling, and signed that for the kid as well, no suggestion of charge.

Now THAT is a window into the man right there! Fantastic insight, diankra. Thanks for sharing that. :techman:

As for his passing... I thought it was accepted that (like a lot of actors) there was a bit of difference between his official age, and the real one. So if you add a few years to that offical 71, there's really no reason to speculate on anything beyond natural causes.
And along with the cancer, that makes a lot of sense. I never thought about the age range there. Good points.
 
I have never heard anything negative about him, except from that article/interview Gary Downie did for DWM a couple of years back. Called him a "bully".

Yeah, well, I don't think there was anybody Downie mentioned in that interview who he didn't slag off! :p

A friend of mine carried on a correspondence with Ainley some years back, while Colin Baker was still playing the Doctor. Apparently Ainley was always very nice to him, even providing my friend with sketches of the collar of the Master's costume for a recreation he was trying to have made.
 
I'm looking for personal, or at least direct secondhand stories, about Ainley. If you wish, you may contact me at sparrow dot morgan, at gmail.
 
Delgado was sinister, methodical, and simply one of the best Masters we've seen so far. Ainley was sinister, campy, and a bit OTT. Were either performance simply down to the man?

I've read comments in some of the behind-the-scenes material which suggested that Ainley once gave an incredibly intense, serious delivery of his lines and was asked to do a retake by the gallery "and go more OTT". How verifiable that is, I'm not sure.

People rave about the John Simms Master. But, wasn't he just as OTT as Ainley's?

True, but Simm's Master worked as a counterpoint to the bonkers nature of Tennant's Doctor, a dark reflection. Ainley might have worked as OTT if he'd continued squaring off against Tom Baker, but against Peter Davison his performance might have been better as more measured. He should've worked versus Colin, but with Kate O'Mara in the mix as well it kinda lost something.
 
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