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Ant-Man & the Wasp: Grade, Review, Discuss Please Code Spoilers

How would you grade AM&TW

  • A+

    Votes: 4 6.6%

  • A

    Votes: 16 26.2%

  • A-

    Votes: 15 24.6%

  • B+

    Votes: 16 26.2%

  • B

    Votes: 6 9.8%

  • B-

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • C+

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • C

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • C-

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • D

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • F

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    61
  • Poll closed .
Turtletrekker said:
A couple of deleted scenes have hit the web in advance of the home release.

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I kind of wish they had kept the quantum realm scene. It adds a little more texture to Janet's experiences there, rather than just make it getting it seem like she had been standing there waiting for Hank to show up for 30 years.
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The security camera scene - Yeah, I get why it was cut.

The Quantum Realm bit - Sorry but i don't think that scene was either overlong, or boring; and as others said, it adds depth to the QR, so IDK why it was cut. Especially with Ant man now trapped there. <--- Of course perhaps that IS why (IE They wanted to save the 'reveal' of civilizations in that realm for Avengers 4.)
 
So . . . Hank Pym was being hunted down by the FBI, because Scott Lang had used a suit, deemed a violation of the Sokovia Accords (an agreement, not a law) that he had created some thirty years earlier? And Hank's daughter, Hope van Dyne, was being hunted as well, because the FBI thinks she had helped him develop the suit, despite the fact that the U.S. government must be aware that there is no way she could have played a role in the creation of the suit?
 
LJones41 said:
So . . . Hank Pym was being hunted down by the FBI, because Scott Lang had used a suit, deemed a violation of the Sokovia Accords (an agreement, not a law) that he had created some thirty years earlier? And Hank's daughter, Hope van Dyne, was being hunted as well, because the FBI thinks she had helped him develop the suit, despite the fact that the U.S. government must be aware that there is no way she could have played a role in the creation of the suit?
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It was more that because Scott outright named Hank Pym while he was at the Raft the FBI wanted to know what Pyms' connection was to Scott and maybe have an excuse to ransack his lab for anything valuable. Scott made them accessories.
 
Anwar said:
It was more that because Scott outright named Hank Pym while he was at the Raft the FBI wanted to know what Pyms' connection was to Scott and maybe have an excuse to ransack his lab for anything valuable. Scott made them accessories.
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Accessories of . . . what? The creation of the suit, which happened in the 1980s - something that could be easily discovered in old SHIELD files? It has been verified that Scott had actually named them? And yet . . . without the suit, which Scott had sent to Cassie, the government still managed to convict him of breaking the Sokovia Accords, forcing Hank and Hope to be wanted fugitives?

The more I think about this scenario, the more holes I see in it.
 
LJones41 said:
Accessories of . . . what?
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Scott Lang.

It has been verified that Scott had actually named them?
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Yes, in Civil War a criminal (Scott Lang) drops Hank Pyms' name which would make authorities curious enough to investigate any possible connections.

And yet . . . without the suit, which Scott had sent to Cassie, the government still managed to convict him of breaking the Sokovia Accords, forcing Hank and Hope to be wanted fugitives?
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Scott's suit was being held in the Raft, he got it back when Cap broke him out and he sent it to Cassie. It all happened off-screen after the end of Civil War. The authorities heard him mention Hank Pym and they'd want to know what Pym's connection was to Scott.

Easy. The Pyms chose to run.
 
Turtletrekker said:
No. Scott said that he mailed the suit to Luis before he turned himself in.
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Yeah, which was still after he escaped from the Raft where the suit was held. He got the suit, mailed it to Luis and turned himself in to the cops who came to his home after he returned to the States from Cap breaking him out.
 
Anwar said:
Scott Lang.



Yes, in Civil War a criminal (Scott Lang) drops Hank Pyms' name which would make authorities curious enough to investigate any possible connections.



Scott's suit was being held in the Raft, he got it back when Cap broke him out and he sent it to Cassie. It all happened off-screen after the end of Civil War. The authorities heard him mention Hank Pym and they'd want to know what Pym's connection was to Scott.

Easy. The Pyms chose to run.
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"Hank Pym always said that you can't always trust a Stark."

That is what an imprisoned Scott Lang had said to Tony Stark in “Captain America: Civil War”, in the Raft. And from that sentence, Ross and the U.S. government had assumed that Dr. Hank Pym and his daughter, Hope van Dyne were behind what happened at the Berlin Airport? Or that Hank was supposed to register the 30 year-old tech suit that he has not personally used in 30 years, something that Scott could have told the authorities? In fact, the government failed to maintain possession of the suit after Steve Rogers had helped Scott, Sam Wilson and the others escape from the Raft. Judging from a possible description of the Ant-Man suit by Tony or James Rhodes, it could have been easy for the government to remember that Hank had created the suit . . . thirty years ago. And yet, he and Hope were being pursued over a suit that same suit, when they had Scott in custody? Why was Hope being hunted as well, considering that she had no hand in the suit's creation?

You know what? Every since "Captain America: Civil War", this whole Sokovia Accords arc has been nothing but a major fuck up since Day One. It seems as if the MCU writers have been writing out of their asses, whenever the topic came up. And they don't seem to know the difference between an accord and a law. The sooner this story arc ends, the better.
 
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LJones41 said:
"Hank Pym always said that you can't always trust a Stark."

That is what an imprisoned Scott Lang had said to Tony Stark in “Captain America: Civil War”, in the Raft. And from that sentence, Ross and the U.S. government had assumed that Dr. Hank Pym and his daughter, Hope van Dyne were behind what happened at the Berlin Airport?
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No, just that they had something to do with this size-changing guy who supported Cap and broke the law. Worth investigating to find out HOW he knew them.

It's not about the suit, it's about following a criminals' connections.
 
Yeah, when you're investigating a criminal, the first step is going to be to check out their known associates, and that is exactly what Hank and Hope were.
 
Anwar said:
No, just that they had something to do with this size-changing guy who supported Cap and broke the law. Worth investigating to find out HOW he knew them.

It's not about the suit, it's about following a criminals' connections.
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I think it may be the suit though. The technology. Isn't that why they are after Pym, to get the technology? I haven't re-watched they movie though.
 
I would say the govt. wanted to talk to them because of their connection to Scott, but they wound up fugitives because they ran, went into hiding and started using unapproved super-tech (like shrinking entire buildings and walking away with them). The govt. need not necessarily have caught them to be able to figure out that they're still using the pym particle technology for something - and with the Ant-man suit clearly falling under Sokovia Accord rules, all the other pym particle stuff would, too.

There could also very well still be lingering questions about the destruction of the lab in Ant-Man 1, though that's probably more an extra legal threat/means to hold them while their connection to Pym Particles would be the primary motivation to get them.
 
theenglish said:
I think it may be the suit though. The technology. Isn't that why they are after Pym, to get the technology? I haven't re-watched they movie though.
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They decided to go after the suit eventually, but the initial motivation was just to question Scott's connections.
 
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