Ant-Man & the Wasp: Grade, Review, Discuss Please Code Spoilers

[kirk55555]

Having seen this a few times now...am I the only one who thinks Ghost just seems like a somehow worse version of Ivan Venko from Iron Man 2? People whose parents supposedly got messed with by a good guy/good guy's dad (although Pym seems to have at least legitimately gotten an incompetent idiot fired, while Howard probably was in the wrong and stole from Venko's Dad based on IM2 never really denying that he did that), and those kids gre up to become violent criminals out for revenge (although, again, Ivan's motivation was more legitimate, and wGhost's Dad was moronic and incompetent and 100% at fault for his accident).

Even ignoring who was a better villain (it was Ivan Venko in my opinion, Ghost was just a boring sociopath who I wanted to see die horribly, at least Venko was mildly interesting even if he's still one of the weaker villains), they do seem similar to me, at least.

Anyway, I hadn't rated the movie before, so I went with D. Two terrible villains (Ghost and Bill Foster, easily two of the most shit villains in the MCU, even Ronan and Malaketh were better), a story that was part cringe (Scott is kid sized , an Ant playing drums? DC's Legends of Tomorrow would be proud to be in the same universe with this crap ) and part coma inducing (oh boo-hoo, your Dad is dead from his own incompetence and now you're a sociopath, fuck off and fade away, Ghost) and leads that are somehow completely uninteresting even though they were ok in the last movie.

I thought about rating it lower, but the only MCU movie that deserves a complete fail grade is Spider-Man Homecoming. This is still better then that, which isn't really a compliment because a movie would have to actively try to be worse then Homecoming.

 

[LJones41]

As much as I liked this movie, my problem is that I had a hard time determining who was the main villain - Ghost or Sonny Burch. Ghost's "villainy" seemed to come from a sense of anger at what happened to her father and desperation to find a way to stay alive. Burch basically seemed like a light-weight villain who was more suited for an episode from a comedy-action TV series.

I know that a lot of people didn't care for Darren Cross, but I've always liked him as a villain. He was psychotic, smart and terrifying. A part of me wishes that he had stayed alive long enough for this film.

 

[Anwar]

As much as I liked this movie, my problem is that I had a hard time determining who was the main villain - Ghost or Sonny Burch. Ghost's "villainy" seemed to come from a sense of anger at what happened to her father and desperation to find a way to stay alive. Burch basically seemed like a light-weight villain who was more suited for an episode from a comedy-action TV series.

I know that a lot of people didn't care for Darren Cross, but I've always liked him as a villain. He was psychotic, smart and terrifying. A part of me wishes that he had stayed alive long enough for this film.

The thing is, there was no real "main villain" in this movie. I kind of enjoyed that.

 

[Marsden]

I liked the movie, both Ant Mans and both Wasps, but I didn't like Ghost much at all, I thought Egghead was used terribly and very disappointed about Black Goliath being a has been already and never seeing him in action.

Since the last two complaints are from a comics based point of view rather than a movie point of view I'm going to give it a B+, not A because Ghost still wasn't very interesting to me.

I also thought the "it's all Hank's fault" got a bit overdone.
How was it's Hank's fault that girl didn't listen to her father and run away?
How is it Hank's fault the goof ran the risky experiment in the first place?
But I guess an opinion formed in an 8 year old mind doesn't need to be logical.