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Ant-Man & the Wasp: Grade, Review, Discuss Please Code Spoilers

How would you grade AM&TW

  • A+

    Votes: 4 6.6%
  • A

    Votes: 16 26.2%
  • A-

    Votes: 15 24.6%
  • B+

    Votes: 16 26.2%
  • B

    Votes: 6 9.8%
  • B-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • C-

    Votes: 2 3.3%
  • D

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • F

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    61
  • Poll closed .
The sheer variety is how a Shared Universe works. In real life wacky silly things happen at the same time dead serious stuff happens somewhere else. I dunno why it's still so hard for people to wrap their heads around the concept.

Doing the opposite and making it all pretentiously serious would make it the DCEU.
Start a security company run by weirdoes like Scott's friends. Let me know how it goes.
 
Saw it today and give a solid A-

Fun stuff overall; I thought a little of the humor was a little bit off-putting while most of it was laugh-out-loud good. Stay for the first post-credits scene; don't bother with the second- that's my advice.
 
Saw it today and give a solid A-

Fun stuff overall; I thought a little of the humor was a little bit off-putting while most of it was laugh-out-loud good. Stay for the first post-credits scene; don't bother with the second- that's my advice.
Do not take this man's advice. The second post-credit sequence is positively chilling, despite the fact that it ends with a literal rimshot.
 
Start a security company run by weirdoes like Scott's friends. Let me know how it goes.

The company that was on the verge of failing until they got a big publicity boost from being involved with stopping Walton Goggins' gang? I'd say that it would fail, if not for the intervention of superhero stuff.

The Suicide Squad is a dumber idea than that Security Company, no one complains about them.
 
No one complains about suicide squad???

No one complained about the concept of the Squad (getting super-criminals to work for the Government). Most complaints are due to everything else in that film.

And the concept of the Squad is way wackier than Luis and co forming a company.
 
No one complained about the concept of the Squad (getting super-criminals to work for the Government). Most complaints are due to everything else in that film.

And the concept of the Squad is way wackier than Luis and co forming a company.
The only reason nobody complains about the squad is because it's a concept front the comics. People did complain that they made a movie based on that particular concept though.
 
Do not take this man's advice. The second post-credit sequence is positively chilling, despite the fact that it ends with a literal rimshot.

It would have been chilling- except for that literal rimshot. That just made it stupid. And IMO it wasn't worth sitting through the rest of the credits for. My .02. :shrug:
 
I gave it an "A". In fact, I may have enjoyed it a bit more than I did the first Ant-Man movie. I thought it handled the humor a lot better than "Thor: Ragnarok". In other words, I didn't find it misplaced. It had some great emotional moments in the last act. And I found the impact of Thanos' "snap" in the first post-credit scene a lot stronger for me than in "Infinity War". I really enjoyed it.

I have one or two quibbles and it involves the Sokovia Accords. Considering that Scott never signed the Sokovia Accords, why was he being held in house arrest for? Do the MCU writers even know the difference between a law and an accord? And how did the authorities found out about his connection to Hank Pym and Hope Van Dyne, considering that he managed to keep his suit out of Federal hands?
Scott broke the law (in Germany) when he committed all the property damage in "Captain America: Civil War" - like tearing the wing off the plane; and assualt - using said wing to smack Iron Man; or throwing Spider-Man into the cargo crates, etc.
^^^
Remember: 'Team Iron Man" was involved in lawfully apprehending Captain America and Bucky (aka The Winter Soldier) at that time. The Germans allowed the U.S. Feds to extradite and punish Scott as they saw fit.
 
Haven't seen it yet to grade but am looking forward to something a little lighter and stand alone-ish.
 
Suicide Squad is bascially a Dirty Dozen with powers.
AFAIK, The Dirty Dozen were all trained soldiers who'd messed up somehow, hence their assignment. The Suicide Squad had no such common ground, no?

Anyhow, I found the movie delightful, much like the first. More San Francisco location shooting would have been nice, and sure, the action climax was more drawn out than necessary, as is often the case with these movies, but the shrinking/enlarging factor kept things fresh, and the whole flick was just a whole lot of funny and fun.

I was genuinely surprised by the mid-credits scene reveal - the whole unexplained and dangerous Quantum Zone excursion for "healing particles" or whatever, plus Scott's temporary mic glitch, was enough diversion for me not to realize the scene would feature The Snappening before it did.

My beef, albiet a small one, with the MCU in general, is why FBI (and other agencies) assault units operate the same way against superpowered people than they would against normal humans.
Well, that's why President Ellis created the ATCU, and then publicly rehabilitated SHIELD - until Coulson's foes mucked all that up once more. ;) So, it hasn't been for lack of trying.

@YellowSubmarine addressed the Sokovia accords question. Regarding how authorities knew about Scott's connection to Hank and Hope...[/QUOTE]Black Widow dumping SHIELD's files probably made Hank's role as the original Ant-Man a matter of public record, so who else would Scott have gotten the tech from? Not to mention any investigations of the Pym Technologies incident on Treasure Island, involving the destruction/implosion of an entire building...

Again, how can the VFX houses de-age them so great and LucasArts gave us crappy Tarkin and Leia's? How does that happen?
It's a lot easier to de-age faces you film on set than to create ones from scratch. In Cushing's case, they obviously couldn't 3D-scan his face, and even if they had new 3D scans of Fisher's face on hand, her features had changed considerably more from her 19-y.o. self than Michael Douglas' going from middle age to retirement age.
 
That stupid soccer thing has delayed the film here by a month. By the time I see it, it'll be old news.
I assume you're in the UK like me then? Yep, not out till 3rd August because of the World Cup... the World that ends in three days on 15th July. Nice one Marvel. I know we often get these movies a week before the US so shouldn't complain too much. A week or two weeks would be ok, but 4 weeks. Sorry I'm waiting, I never watch pirate movies online, but with spoilers for movies nowadays on everything you look at two days after they come out (Twitter, Instagram, facebook, youtube notably, it's impossible to avoid them for that long.
So I watched it online a few days ago; sorry but that's some money you're therefore not seeing Marvel, and judging by comments I've seen on social media and other boards a lot of people are doing the same. "Not a great plan"

...It was ok... wasn't bad but tbh wasn't really worth waiting 4 weeks for anyway!
 
Just back from seeing it. Loved it. Stakes are a lot lower than the world ending events of Avengers but it still feels significant to the characters. Lots of fun laugh out loud moments and some clever use of the shrinking and growing technology in fights. Fantastic casting.

Kudos for once again making me think I'm actually seeing a young Douglas, Pfeiffer and Fishburne.
After watching the de-aged Pfeiffer in the opening scenes I'm up for seeing her back in the leather tights for a proper Catwoman movie. She'd make it work.
 
All this talk about "stakes" gets repetitive after a while. I mean really, with there being 20 movies do people expect them to put the world in danger every single time?
 
Start a security company run by weirdoes like Scott's friends. Let me know how it goes.
I don't know about "weirdos" like his friends being hired, though they were practicing to try and put on a more professional presentation, but there are numerous examples of ex-cons using their unique expertise to go on to work as either law enforcement consultants or in private security consulting, so that's not unusual at all. Ex-black-hat hackers go on to become white-hat hackers working for law enforcement as part of their plea deal, or con men go on to start private security consulting firms like Frank Abagnale (who they based Catch Me if You Can on) did.

No one complained about the concept of the Squad (getting super-criminals to work for the Government). Most complaints are due to everything else in that film.

And the concept of the Squad is way wackier than Luis and co forming a company.
In addition to understandably complaining about how much the movie sucked ass, lots of people complained about why anyone would employ someone as unstable as Harley Quinn or as dangerous as Enchantress, even though that's inherent to the premise of the Suicide Squad. I don't know where you were reading and saw "no one" complaining about that.

This DC vs Marvel thing you have to bring up all the time really gets tiresome, though. You need to find a new shtick, or at least be able to refute a Marvel film criticism without reflexively trashing an unrelated DC film to do it, even if the movie you're criticizing was in fact terrible. I did it above defending the ex-con security consulting business in AM&TW without even having to mention Suicide Squad. It's not hard. The two films have nothing to do with each other, and the person expressing the criticism about one aspect of the Marvel film might still like the overall film, or in fact feel the same way about the DC film that you do, so it's a ridiculous way to refute their argument.

All this talk about "stakes" gets repetitive after a while. I mean really, with there being 20 movies do people expect them to put the world in danger every single time?
You get that Gavin was using the "lower stakes but still feels significant to the characters" comment as a compliment to the movie, right? You're so defensive.

But yes, as you and Gavin both said, not everything needs to have potentially world ending stakes. That's actually one of the things I liked most about this movie, is its tighter focus on Scott's immediate and extended "families" and just trying to help them.
 
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Start a security company run by weirdoes like Scott's friends. Let me know how it goes.
Hey (no lie) many IT Security companies started out that way; or get better detection tools by hiring those convicted in engaging in such activities once they're released from prison. :eek:

It's a lot easier to de-age faces you film on set than to create ones from scratch. In Cushing's case, they obviously couldn't 3D-scan his face, and even if they had new 3D scans of Fisher's face on hand, her features had changed considerably more from her 19-y.o. self than Michael Douglas' going from middle age to retirement age.
Honestly, it looks like they used facial grabs from "War of the Roses" as a basis for his de-aged scenes. You don't need a live actor to rescan per se, you just need source material of how they looked as a good enough resolution.

They also made sure the 'younger Douglas' scenes all had a reason for him to be in a darker area with lots of shadows.

The issue with Rogue One's Carrie Fischer de-age scene is that it was a very brightly lit white Bridge on a ship so they couldn't hide anything.
 
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