Anson Mount as Pike SAVES This Show! Wow.

[CorporalClegg]

Whether it happens this year or next, Burnham will be commanding the Discovery. I predict at the end of this year because of the season's events.

I do agree the long-term goal is to make her captain in the end; however, I think the later they do it the better. I think it really represents the end of her character arc.

To that end, I have to say that ending the show with the implication she goes on to have a long, decorated career as a Starfleet captain is way more interesting to me than "Lester Micheal Burnham dies in the end."

 

[Mudd]

Oh, I'm sure she'll get there years before the show ends.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

I do agree the long-term goal is to make her captain in the end; however, I think the later they do it the better. I think it really represents the end of her character arc.

To that end, I have to say that ending the show with the implication she goes on to have a long, decorated career as a Starfleet captain is way more interesting to me than "Lester Micheal Burnham dies in the end."

I feel the opposite. The sooner they make her captain, the better. Because TPTB really went through huge leaps and loops of logic to have Burnham drive the action in the season one finale—the speech, the "we are Starfleet" moment, et all.

They're already writing her as the captain. She just needs to be it already. Also I don't think it ends her arc. It really is the start of it.

 

[Longinus]

I feel the opposite. The sooner they make her captain, the better. Because TPTB really went through huge leaps and loops of logic to have Burnham drive the action in the season one finale—the speech, the "we are Starfleet" moment, et all.

They're already writing her as the captain. She just needs to be it already. Also I don't think it ends her arc. It really is the start of it.

Yep, agreed. I expect she'll be the captain once Pike departs, so at the end of the second season at the latest.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Yep, agreed. I expect she'll be the captain once Pike departs, so at the end of the second season at the latest.

End of this season is also my prediction.

 

[Trekkin]

Watch AMC's Hell on Wheels and you'll reconsider your stance.

Don’t think so. That would require something in your post (and the show) to contradict anything I said.

(In case it’s not obvious, I’ve seen Hell on Wheels.)

I was completely confused what a "masculine" alpha male means, and what other type of alpha male there might be? I'm only imagining one "omg yay" right now, he's going to put an uppity woman lead back in her place, I mean who does she really think she is thinking she can carry a Star Trek series mostly by herself, and all she's offering is an amazing and award winning performance, right?

(oh please do forgive my sarcasm)

Maybe they mean they want to see more dudes strip off, oil up, and roll around whilst violently grappling with each other?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

DSC fumbled the hero's journey for Burnham right out of the gate, because the obstacle that interrupted Burnham's career to captaincy in the first two-parter wasn't well-conceived. It seems like there was an idea that got overruled (Burnham delivers a bona fide Vulcan Hello to the Klingons) but the showrunners didn't completely throw the story out to start from scratch and instead tried to keep the beginning and the end and stitched together a workaround. The result was something where none of the critical character decisions made any real sense.

So, having pretty much botched that, going into S2 the showrunners have a decision to make. Do they redux it, and draw out Burnham's interrupted hero's journey, or do they cut their losses and keep moving on without fixating on what's in the rear-view mirror? I'd vote for the latter.

 

[Refuge]

Yep, agreed. I expect she'll be the captain once Pike departs, so at the end of the second season at the latest.

Why not Saru?

Michael should realistically be years away from being Captain. She should be viewed like someone who is on 'probation'. I'm not saying she is on probation but she needs to show she can follow orders and she doesn't do that at critical moments of stress.

 

[Refuge]

SMG owns this show...

Not at all. She is the weakest 'lead' I've seen in any Star Trek version. Practically any other character owns her in every scene she is in.

 

[Longinus]

Why not Saru?

Michael should realistically be years away from being Captain. She should be viewed like someone who is on 'probation'. I'm not saying she is on probation but she needs to show she can follow orders and she doesn't do that at critical moments of stress.

Because it won't be Saru. This has nothing to do with in-setting logic, and everything to do with the fact that Michael is the hero of the show and she is destined to end up on the big seat. And Saru is a good supporting character, but he is not a leader. Like Ryan already said, Michael already acts like she is the leader of the group, she takes the initiative, she makes the inspiring speeches.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Michael should realistically be years away from being Captain. She should be viewed like someone who is on 'probation'. I'm not saying she is on probation but she needs to show she can follow orders and she doesn't do that at critical moments of stress.

Burnham has been given a full pardon by the President of the Federation, so there's no reason she should have to be on any kind of probation.

 

[Refuge]

Burnham has been given a full pardon by the President of the Federation, so there's no reason she should have to be on any kind of probation.

'Given a pardon'. Yet in the final of Season One she was still mutinous. By handing her a pardon and a medal on a plate the writers may as well have put Mary Sue on it.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Not at all. She is the weakest 'lead' I've seen in any Star Trek version. Practically any other character owns her in every scene she is in.

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[Refuge]

Because it won't be Saru. This has nothing to do with in-setting logic, and everything to do with the fact that Michael is the hero of the show and she is destined to end up on the big seat. And Saru is a good supporting character, but he is not a leader. Like Ryan already said, Michael already acts like she is the leader of the group, she takes the initiative, she makes the inspiring speeches.

Those speeches inspire a kind of sleepiness in me, lol.

 

[Longinus]

Not at all. She is the weakest 'lead' I've seen in any Star Trek version. Practically any other character owns her in every scene she is in.

Yeah, now you're just being silly. There is no fucking way she is worse than Bakula.

 

[Refuge]

Yeah, now you're just being silly. There is no fucking way she is worse than Bakula.

She's worse all right

 

[Mudd]

DSC fumbled the hero's journey for Burnham right out of the gate, because the obstacle that interrupted Burnham's career to captaincy in the first two-parter wasn't well-conceived. It seems like there was an idea that got overruled (Burnham delivers a bona fide Vulcan Hello to the Klingons) but the showrunners didn't completely throw the story out to start from scratch and instead tried to keep the beginning and the end and stitched together a workaround. The result was something where none of the critical character decisions made any real sense.

Exactly so.

I suppose the original version of the pilot story and overall season arc will make its way on to the Internet eventually. But it's pretty clear that Goldsman and the new executive producers took hatchet in hand there after Fuller left.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Why not Saru?

Michael should realistically be years away from being Captain. She should be viewed like someone who is on 'probation'. I'm not saying she is on probation but she needs to show she can follow orders and she doesn't do that at critical moments of stress.

I tend to agree with this. As much as I like Burnham, I don't think she is anywhere near ready to be in the centre seat full time.

 

[Refuge]

I tend to agree with this. As much as I like Burnham, I don't think she is anywhere near ready to be in the centre seat full time.

I think she'll get there soon enough. She does needs to work out some personal issues and choices. I don't see why it would be such a bad arc for her to reach a station like Spock. He was no less a character than the Captain.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Should we set aside how fast Kirk was promoted to captain in ST '09 because it is not prime timeline....or is it a precedent set by TPTB that has a bearing on what we might expect them to do with Burnham?