It's just not my cup of tea (no pun intended). Maybe I was in the wrong frame of mind when I watched it.
Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread
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I forgot about Lwaxana. *Snap*
That would be Kamala in "The Perfect Mate" played my Famke Jensen, who was offered the role of Jadzia, and later went onto play Jean Grey in X-Men. I forgot about her too.
"Attached" isn't your cup of tea either?
I think we got everyone
Oh, I didn't go for "Attached" at all. It just felt kind of forced to me, and since it's Jean Luc and Beverly, I felt more embarrassed for them than anything else.
I just hated the end.
I like the rest. But the end, the end was horrible.
Oh, and Shatnertage, I can't believe I didn't say it when I saw your post in the HiJS thread but congrats!
I like the rest. But the end, the end was horrible.
Oh, and Shatnertage, I can't believe I didn't say it when I saw your post in the HiJS thread but congrats!
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......but by not dating Michael, it makes Janeway a bigot.
For years, you've been telling you EMH that he is just as equal and afforded every right as everyone else..............but to date one of this kind is unhealthy?
This ep. takes on what Kes & the Doc started and brings it to the next level.
If you now accept the EMH as equal, as "real", how do you view the rest of his kind?
If you accept him, is it still perverse to date one of his kind?
Why is it seen as normal for Seven & the Doc to hook up but not Janeway & Michael?
I think the ep. has weight when you look at it from that aspect.
BTW, let's keep in mind "Fair Haven" comes from the mind of Tom Paris.
The man who's modeled his personality after Bugs Bunny.
The only thing missing from the town was Yosemite Sam or the Great Gadzo.
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As an avid (rabid?) VOY fan, and my first trek love, this was one of the rare episodes that really got me going grrrrr... Maybe as a Brit with Irish roots felt sensitive that it was sooo lazy, cliched and stereotypical. Maybe what more amazing is didn't kill love for series...
Where did the weekend go? It just sped by in a...
"Blink of an Eye"
After the previous let-down, this was just what the doctor ordered. It was a great sci fi concept with great guest acting as well, and a personal B-story for the Doctor. And NaomiWildman showed up. My only regret is that the Doctor didn't get to sing.
The idea that Voyager's been a centuries-long influence on this world is a really interesting one that was, I think, very well executed. It was like "Who Watches the Watchers" but on a much bigger scale and with the time element added. And everyone had something to do. Chakotay got to use his anthropological skills and even Tom Paris got a good scene, in which he made points that I agreed with completely. I never thought I'd see an episode where I thought Turkey Platter had a better read on the situation than my beloved Tuvok, but there it was.
I really liked the idea of the Doctor's secret roommate...um, family down on the planet. Was the kid he mentioned his biological son, or did he just adopt him? I don't know. And, even though it's a cool story, it's kind of wrenching to think that some kid's dad just disappeared one day.
Daniel Dae Kim really made the episode a great one. The last scene of him as a very old man watching Voyager leave was just icing on the cake.
And it's funny that, in the end, Voyager didn't solve the problem--the people on the planet did.
But, with their rate of development, shouldn't those people be swarming all over the Delta Quadrant within a few months? That'd be a few thousand years to them, right? Surely they'd find a way to compensate for the time differential, and maybe even use it to their advantage.
"Blink of an Eye"
After the previous let-down, this was just what the doctor ordered. It was a great sci fi concept with great guest acting as well, and a personal B-story for the Doctor. And NaomiWildman showed up. My only regret is that the Doctor didn't get to sing.
The idea that Voyager's been a centuries-long influence on this world is a really interesting one that was, I think, very well executed. It was like "Who Watches the Watchers" but on a much bigger scale and with the time element added. And everyone had something to do. Chakotay got to use his anthropological skills and even Tom Paris got a good scene, in which he made points that I agreed with completely. I never thought I'd see an episode where I thought Turkey Platter had a better read on the situation than my beloved Tuvok, but there it was.
I really liked the idea of the Doctor's secret roommate...um, family down on the planet. Was the kid he mentioned his biological son, or did he just adopt him? I don't know. And, even though it's a cool story, it's kind of wrenching to think that some kid's dad just disappeared one day.
Daniel Dae Kim really made the episode a great one. The last scene of him as a very old man watching Voyager leave was just icing on the cake.
And it's funny that, in the end, Voyager didn't solve the problem--the people on the planet did.
But, with their rate of development, shouldn't those people be swarming all over the Delta Quadrant within a few months? That'd be a few thousand years to them, right? Surely they'd find a way to compensate for the time differential, and maybe even use it to their advantage.
I can buy the whole situation happening. Loneliness happens, and sometimes we're not smart about matters of the heart. And a lot of the scenes, IMO, were kinda cute. This episode is nowhere near the "worst of" list in my own book.
The major problem with this episode, for me, is when the Doc gave Janeway some rather lousy advice and she freaking took it to heart. She was feeling rather torn about the whole thing, and rightfully so - and the Doc had to butt in and tell her it was okay! And, at the end - there was still a chance to back out. She could have called things off with Michael. She almost did! She was SO CLOSE. And then... then she said she'll be back. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I understand the character's reluctance to get involved with crew members on a tiny little ship in the middle of nowhere, but getting emotionally involved with a non-sentient program instead just... isn't healthy.
If you thought this one was a treat, just wait until "Spirit Folk"
The problem with his advice was because HE is a hologram and he sees nothing wrong with a hologram and an organic having a relationship. Of course, he doesn't have them with nonsentient holograms anymore either, at least not since reel life.
Unfortunately, the only way the Doc could have made his case for "Hologram" relationships being "okay" would have been to pull her into a kiss himself. "Unfortunate" because THAT would have been EXTREMELY INAPPROPRIATE for him as her physician to do and in fact would have gotten him stripped of his license "back home" had he tried it. (And rightly so, I should add.)
I was guessing adopted.
Didn't he mention a war and caring for orphans after a bombing? I assumed that's where his son comes from.
Ooops, I missed your review of "Fair Haven". And it's one of my favorite episodes! Aside from the embarrassing Irish sterotypes, that is.
I was OK with holograms as used in all the Trek series until they started becoming sentient. 'Cause then, some of them are people, and some of them potentially could become people, and they basically all started out as the 24th century equivalent of the "The Sims" and that's creepy to me.
But as exodus pointed out, since the crew of Voyager accepts the EMH as a person, they need to think about whether or not they're honestly treating him like one. And whether or not it's morally right for them to keep "using" other holograms knowing that those holograms might be able to become self-aware.
Kind of a disturbing episode, in my opinion, but I like it. Especially the argument scene between Janeway and the EMH. Well played by both.
Anyway, "Blink of an Eye", just awesome all around. Like it VERY much. About the Doc's kid, though, let me just tell ya - Voyager has a talent for making babies disappear.
That's all I'm gonna say on that topic for now.
And speaking of kids, I hear that you and Mrs. Shatnertage will be welcoming another little Trekkie into your family soon. Congratulations!!!!!
I was OK with holograms as used in all the Trek series until they started becoming sentient. 'Cause then, some of them are people, and some of them potentially could become people, and they basically all started out as the 24th century equivalent of the "The Sims" and that's creepy to me.
But as exodus pointed out, since the crew of Voyager accepts the EMH as a person, they need to think about whether or not they're honestly treating him like one. And whether or not it's morally right for them to keep "using" other holograms knowing that those holograms might be able to become self-aware.
Kind of a disturbing episode, in my opinion, but I like it. Especially the argument scene between Janeway and the EMH. Well played by both.
Anyway, "Blink of an Eye", just awesome all around. Like it VERY much. About the Doc's kid, though, let me just tell ya - Voyager has a talent for making babies disappear.
That's all I'm gonna say on that topic for now.And speaking of kids, I hear that you and Mrs. Shatnertage will be welcoming another little Trekkie into your family soon. Congratulations!!!!!
And speaking of kids, I hear that you and Mrs. Shatnertage will be welcoming another little Trekkie into your family soon. Congratulations!!!!!
Congratulations! Everyone I know who's had or is having a baby this year is having a girl. Do you know what you're having?
About "Blink of an Eye": I LOVE IT. One of my faves. A+. Just good, classic, interesting, fun, awesome Trek. Can't say anything bad about it at all. LOVED Daniel Dae Kim (I read somewhere that he'd been up for the Harry Kim role...either that or everyone wishes he'd had the role instead, lol).
Like a few others have said, I have issues with the sentient vs. non-sentient hologram issue. Clearly the EMH is [supposed to be] a trusted and respected member of the crew - but is he always treated that way? SHOULD he be? How does he "feel" about the constant use of the holodeck (non-sentient) holograms on board? He took part in the "Fair Haven" nonsense (sorry, not a fan) as much as everyone else did. It seemed so strange to me that he would do that, and his convo with Janeway in the corridor was also befuddling. He most definitely separates himself from the non-sentient holograms, but at the end of the day, he is just as "turn-offable" as they are.
I LOVE the Doctor, think he's a great and interesting character. But I think the times I enjoy him the most are when I don't really think about him as a hologram, if that makes any sense.
Also, what's keeping the non-sentient holograms from becoming sentient?
I LOVE the Doctor, think he's a great and interesting character. But I think the times I enjoy him the most are when I don't really think about him as a hologram, if that makes any sense.
Also, what's keeping the non-sentient holograms from becoming sentient?
Let's not jump ahead for Statnertage but all that is answered in "Flash & Blood".
A girl. Who will not be named B'Elanna. Or Seven. So if nobody hears from me for a few days in mid-May, she's probably arrived.
I really would have liked to see Kim's character join the crew as a reluctant explorer--at the end of the ep, just give a technobabble explanation for why he can't go back. I'd have let Neelix leave in the next episode or two to keep the numbers down.
For that matter, I think he would have made a way better Sulu than John Cho. He's definitely got the voice for it--very resonant. Too bad all Trek came up with for him was a background MACO.
I think I would have made Harry more of the action hero type guy. The guy Tom Paris only dreams of being.
Why not, Harry was always talking about how an athlete he was. Even claimed he could whoop Chakotay's ass once.
I do know for a fact that this was the type of character Garrett wanted Harry to be too. Garrett himself is a good athlete and knows martial arts. I know in the beginning he was looking forward to using those skills in the show.
I know on the "Harry Kim Time Capsule" on one of the DVDs he wasn't happy that he got all of his action, romantic, and suspense time in a single episode (the one where he was back in San Francisco).
I might have made Harry more like James Kirk in the 2009 movie--hot shot who's being fast-tracked for command. But he gets stuck on Voyager, where he's got to be more of a team player. It's a little different than Turkey's burnout/disappointed Daddy's boy story.
I might have made Harry more like James Kirk in the 2009 movie--hot shot who's being fast-tracked for command. But he gets stuck on Voyager, where he's got to be more of a team player. It's a little different than Turkey's burnout/disappointed Daddy's boy story.
^ That would have been GREAT!
Yes, make that mofo earn that PEOPLE'S 50 Most Sexiest Men nod.
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