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Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread

I could do a countdown and drop a ball in Times Square, but instead I'll just tell you how I felt about...

"11:59"

Neelix is curious about Earth history, so Janeway shares a little inside knowledge about her ancestor, Shannon O'Donnell, who was instrumental in building something called the Millennium Gate. And also colonized Mars.

We're then transported to Shannon herself, who looks remarkably like Janeway, driving a beat-up station wagon. She conks out in Portage Creek, Indiana, where they don't have gas, food, or lodging...but they do have their own television station!

The concept was a good one--ENT did something very similar in "Carbon Creek" that worked really well--and it's good to see Kate Mulgrew get out of the Starfleet uniform.

The problem is that the plot doesn't make a ton of sense. If the Millennium Gate is an enclosed habitat, how can it also be a shopping mall? And why would they put it out in the middle of nowhere? And what kind of company is doing business around midnight on New Year's Eve?

The bigger problem, though, is Henry Janeway. Simply put, he's a reactionary--he just violently opposes any kind of progress, even using a computer. And having never been outside of Indiana is nothing to be proud of. It's very difficult to see what Shannon finds so attractive in him. Plus, he looks to be about 20 years older than Shannon. I've seen the actor who plays him in other stuff, and he's fine, but I don't buy him as a romantic lead opposite Kate Mulgrew.

And what kind of TV station would have a round-the-clock live feed of a bookstore that hasn't even had a phone call in three days? It's definitely not sweeps.

So from that aspect the episode doesn't work for me, but that doesn't mean I didn't like it. Like I said, it was nice seeing Kate Mulgrew in a more down-to-Earth setting (literally).

But Captain Janeway should stop bad-mouthing history. It's like the writers only stayed away for the "death of objectivism" lecture and didn't retain anything else from their history classes. Her notion that there are different "kinds' of history--Bolian history, Ferengi history, etc, is another endorsement of historical relativism that, when you think about it, is intellectually bankrupt.

On the whole, though, I liked the episode's atmosphere. It's nice having these lower-key episodes.
 
The concept was a good one--ENT did something very similar in "Carbon Creek" that worked really well--and it's good to see Kate Mulgrew get out of the Starfleet uniform.

"Carbon Creek" is one of my favorite ENT eps.

I like two things about 11:59:
1. Seeing KM in jeans
2. The ever-useful for fanart "gazing out the window" and "family portrait" scenes.

I agree with all the problems you identified with this one, however, I think they aggravate me more. :lol:

ETA: Oh, wait, I remember another thing about this episode that did not annoy me. I liked the way Janeway & pals were sitting around in her quarters shooting the breeze. I thought it was nice to see them just hanging out that way.
 
The concept was a good one--ENT did something very similar in "Carbon Creek" that worked really well--and it's good to see Kate Mulgrew get out of the Starfleet uniform.

"Carbon Creek" is one of my favorite ENT eps.

I like two things about 11:59:
1. Seeing KM in jeans
2. The ever-useful for fanart "gazing out the window" and "family portrait" scenes.

I agree with all the problems you identified with this one, however, I think they aggravate me more. :lol:

ETA: Oh, wait, I remember another thing about this episode that did not annoy me. I liked the way Janeway & pals were sitting around in her quarters shooting the breeze. I thought it was nice to see them just hanging out that way.

I liked the quip about Doc's cousin being an electric razor. :lol:

I found it interesting they had two low-key episodes right next to each other.
 
^ Yes, that was something I liked too.

Seriously, if this episode had a credible romantic lead to work opposite against Mulgrew, and they'd spent a little time working on the story, it could have been pretty good.
 
^ Yes, that was something I liked too.

Seriously, if this episode had a credible romantic lead to work opposite against Mulgrew, and they'd spent a little time working on the story, it could have been pretty good.

The funny thing is KM and Kevin Tighe(Henry Janeway) are really good friends.

He's actually the godfather of her two sons.

So I'm sure she had a role in getting him to do this episode.
 
^ Yes, that was something I liked too.

Seriously, if this episode had a credible romantic lead to work opposite against Mulgrew, and they'd spent a little time working on the story, it could have been pretty good.

Yeah, that dude could have been her dad. :ack:
 
^ Yes, that was something I liked too.

Seriously, if this episode had a credible romantic lead to work opposite against Mulgrew, and they'd spent a little time working on the story, it could have been pretty good.

Yeah, that dude could have been her dad. :ack:

Which would not have mattered as much if he wasn't ugly as sin. Heck, Captain Picard could be my dad and he's still hot. Come to think of it, I am pretty sure KM and my mother are the same age. :lol:

ALSO the whole idea of Shannon falling for him was dumb. As Shat pointed out, he's such a dinosaur he wouldn't even use a computer. Or leave his store if he could help it. Not exactly an ideal companion for a woman interested in technology, science, and not marrying a loser.
 
^ Yes, that was something I liked too.

Seriously, if this episode had a credible romantic lead to work opposite against Mulgrew, and they'd spent a little time working on the story, it could have been pretty good.

Yeah, that dude could have been her dad. :ack:

Which would not have mattered as much if he wasn't ugly as sin. Heck, Captain Picard could be my dad and he's still hot. Come to think of it, I am pretty sure KM and my mother are the same age. :lol:

ALSO the whole idea of Shannon falling for him was dumb. As Shat pointed out, he's such a dinosaur he wouldn't even use a computer. Or leave his store if he could help it. Not exactly an ideal companion for a woman interested in technology, science, and not marrying a loser.

I actually think he's pretty good-lookin'. :lol: But, man, it would be hard living with such a stubborn, backwards dude. Although I suppose the writers wanted him to be stubborn... the good captain obviously didn't get her mulishness from mousey Shannon, LOL.

But, yes, Picard is pure sexy class.

Wow, KM's younger than my mother. And I think you have a few years on me. ;)
 
There just wasn't anything really likable about the guy. What kind of person is so afraid of experiencing something new that they won't leave their home state?

It's one thing if you get stuck in a place because you have to (George Bailey from It's a Wonderful Life is one example), but to basically give the entire world the finger so you can read books...it's really a sign of a deep personality defect, I think.
 
There are large quantities of warm fuzzies detected in this sector, Possum! :adore::adore: Awwww

It's one thing if you get stuck in a place because you have to (George Bailey from It's a Wonderful Life is one example), but to basically give the entire world the finger so you can read books...it's really a sign of a deep personality defect, I think.

:alienblush::alienblush::alienblush:

*slinks away*
 
There just wasn't anything really likable about the guy. What kind of person is so afraid of experiencing something new that they won't leave their home state?

It's one thing if you get stuck in a place because you have to (George Bailey from It's a Wonderful Life is one example), but to basically give the entire world the finger so you can read books...it's really a sign of a deep personality defect, I think.

He just gave me the creeps. I bet after he married Shannon, all her friends were taking bets on when they'd see them both on a talk show.

"Today on Maury! My controlling husband won't leave the house and wants me to stay with him!"
 
There are large quantities of warm fuzzies detected in this sector, Possum! :adore::adore: Awwww

It's one thing if you get stuck in a place because you have to (George Bailey from It's a Wonderful Life is one example), but to basically give the entire world the finger so you can read books...it's really a sign of a deep personality defect, I think.

:alienblush::alienblush::alienblush:

*slinks away*

Just because it seems to be so completely rejecting the outside world for the security of a little hole somewhere.

I love reading a lot--I love writing, too--but it's no substitute for getting out there and seeing the actual world around you.
 
The bigger problem, though, is Henry Janeway. Simply put, he's a reactionary--he just violently opposes any kind of progress, even using a computer. And having never been outside of Indiana is nothing to be proud of. It's very difficult to see what Shannon finds so attractive in him. Plus, he looks to be about 20 years older than Shannon. I've seen the actor who plays him in other stuff, and he's fine, but I don't buy him as a romantic lead opposite Kate Mulgrew.
Didn't Shannon mention in the ep. that she was looking for a reason to stop running and to make her settle down? He was just as stubborn about living in the past as she was about rushing toward the future. Henry was the Ying to her Yang.
 
There are large quantities of warm fuzzies detected in this sector, Possum! :adore::adore: Awwww

It's one thing if you get stuck in a place because you have to (George Bailey from It's a Wonderful Life is one example), but to basically give the entire world the finger so you can read books...it's really a sign of a deep personality defect, I think.

:alienblush::alienblush::alienblush:

*slinks away*

Just because it seems to be so completely rejecting the outside world for the security of a little hole somewhere.

I love reading a lot--I love writing, too--but it's no substitute for getting out there and seeing the actual world around you.

:techman: I enjoyed the episode, but I had a lot of trouble seeing what someone like Shannon would see in Henry Janeway. She was a woman of science and exploration, as well as adventure, obviously. Henry was an obstinate old Luddite, who could clearly match wits with Shannon and was undoubtedly well-read, but...and then what?

My husband and I are opposites in a lot of ways, but if one of us had the wanderlust and the other of us couldn't even leave the state, it just wouldn't work.

Plus, I agree with whoever said the actor just wasn't all that visually appealing to me...not like...Chakotay! :drool: (But we'll save him for our Kathryn)
 
The bigger problem, though, is Henry Janeway. Simply put, he's a reactionary--he just violently opposes any kind of progress, even using a computer. And having never been outside of Indiana is nothing to be proud of. It's very difficult to see what Shannon finds so attractive in him. Plus, he looks to be about 20 years older than Shannon. I've seen the actor who plays him in other stuff, and he's fine, but I don't buy him as a romantic lead opposite Kate Mulgrew.
Didn't Shannon mention in the ep. that she was looking for a reason to stop running and to make her settle down? He was just as stubborn about living in the past as she was about rushing toward the future. Henry was the Ying to her Yang.

To me it still looked like Shannon was more willing to bend than Henry. But, they obviously went on to make babies and have grandbabies so we can assume they worked it out. ;)
 
The bigger problem, though, is Henry Janeway. Simply put, he's a reactionary--he just violently opposes any kind of progress, even using a computer. And having never been outside of Indiana is nothing to be proud of. It's very difficult to see what Shannon finds so attractive in him. Plus, he looks to be about 20 years older than Shannon. I've seen the actor who plays him in other stuff, and he's fine, but I don't buy him as a romantic lead opposite Kate Mulgrew.
Didn't Shannon mention in the ep. that she was looking for a reason to stop running and to make her settle down? He was just as stubborn about living in the past as she was about rushing toward the future. Henry was the Ying to her Yang.

To me it still looked like Shannon was more willing to bend than Henry. But, they obviously went on to make babies and have grandbabies so we can assume they worked it out. ;)
....or that's part of what turned her on about him.
 
I never felt there was any chemistry between the two. I don't think he was ugly but he did have a bull like quality that was half looks, half personality. I'm repulsed by luddites so it's hard to be objective.. when I was single I had a couple men interested in me and them being complete luddites was THE reason I would never have returned the interest. I had a relative who was married to a luddite, eyes rolling and sermons every time she used the computer for anything and ya know.. it gets old real fast. It's pompous. And I just didn't see Henry as being able to enjoy Shannon's differences. She could enjoy his books, his learning, his homey-ness, his family.. but what did he enjoy about her? She came into his life, admired the picture it painted and stayed. Did he admire HER life? Never saw it.
 
I admired that "11:59" was an attempt to do a different, low-key show, but it stunk like a sack of rotten eggs. Never going to watch it again. Kate was hotness, as always, but KT was just a stupid, unattractive, stubborn dinosaur.
 
I never felt there was any chemistry between the two. I don't think he was ugly but he did have a bull like quality that was half looks, half personality. I'm repulsed by luddites so it's hard to be objective.. when I was single I had a couple men interested in me and them being complete luddites was THE reason I would never have returned the interest. I had a relative who was married to a luddite, eyes rolling and sermons every time she used the computer for anything and ya know.. it gets old real fast. It's pompous. And I just didn't see Henry as being able to enjoy Shannon's differences. She could enjoy his books, his learning, his homey-ness, his family.. but what did he enjoy about her? She came into his life, admired the picture it painted and stayed. Did he admire HER life? Never saw it.
That she didn't mind he had a kid and all the baggage that came along with it?

Seriously, the dating scene for someone over 40 and with a kid is a dead zone. The fact that she didn't mind him or his kid is sometimes all you get. Plus, Shannon seemed to know as much literature as he did. That seemed to impress him.
 
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