I don't remember Warhead either!
So that's good, almost like new Trek
So that's good, almost like new Trek
Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread
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Ok. Off to watch "Warhead" so I can at least remember it. I probably should start ENT again though. Someone I know very well started "Broken Bow" but never finished it
Ok. Off to watch "Warhead" so I can at least remember it. I probably should start ENT again though. Someone I know very well started "Broken Bow" but never finished it
I'm feeling the need to defend Chakotay. I just...really like the character. Obviously he suffered from lack of material, and we've all heard the criticism of the actor/acting. But I've been meaning to mention here that I'm halfway through Season 6 of my first watch of Voyager and I'm still not seeing the offensively bad acting. The character's development was definitely stunted once Seven of Nine came on board, and the powers that be considered the Doctor's journey to be more interesting than that of the Starfleet officer-turned Maquis leader-turned Starfleet officer. But (and I know what I'm about to say might piss people off given how highly people tend to think of Tuvok), I think the writers did Tuvok's character development just as big a disservice as they did Chakotay's...if we're going to go there.
ETA: I also love Tuvok and will defend him if necessary!
ETA: I also love Tuvok and will defend him if necessary!
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I don't think I ever lost my appreciation of Chakotay so much as disappointed by the lack use of him. As the series ended, I still felt out of all the characters I knew him the least.
I do agree.
However, for me Tuvok was like Voy. Yoda.
They didn't use him allot but when he spoke, there was so much tempered wisdom in his words and how Russ delivered them he captured the moment. IMO nothing Chakotay said in 7 years was as impactful as Tuvok's advice about fatherhood Neelix in "Elogium" or the words of comfort the Ensign Wildman in "Once Upon A Time". "Meld" & "Riddles" allowed Russ to display acting skills in ways Beltran never did.
Plus, Russ had better comedic timing too.
Agreed.
Tuvok may have been in the background a lot but when they used him it was like pure gold.
Whereas Beltran, or Chakotay, was only good when Beltran felt he had enough material to make it worth it.
I will say that Chakotay was my favorite character when the show was on because he was so light and easy to know. Now I just look back and scream "UNDERDEVELOPED" whenever I get irritated.
Plus Beltran wasn't so bad looking back in the day.
Tuvok may have been in the background a lot but when they used him it was like pure gold.
Whereas Beltran, or Chakotay, was only good when Beltran felt he had enough material to make it worth it.
I will say that Chakotay was my favorite character when the show was on because he was so light and easy to know. Now I just look back and scream "UNDERDEVELOPED" whenever I get irritated.
Plus Beltran wasn't so bad looking back in the day.
Fair as always, dear exodus. Yes, I do agree about Tuvok's sage wisdom and I love the episodes you mention. I recently watched "Riddles" and truly loved it.
There have been times when Beltran's really sold me on something. The scene in "Hunters" when he tells B'Elanna of the fate of the Maquis comes to mind.
Girl, you ain't lyin'!
Seriously, though, I'm with you on the "underdeveloped" bit. And from all we've heard about how Beltran felt about the character, we know that he didn't give it his all, all the time, due to his dissatisfaction. Unprofessional or merely human, the performance suffered because of the actor's inner conflict with the role. And yes, I know I am justifying laziness in a way.
I guess Be'lanna's reaction in that one over shadowed his for me, sorry. Don't get me wrong, loved Chakotay......I just wanted more.
I disagree in the justifying laziness part.
I think there was allot of trouble on both sides going on.
So both sides were wrong.
Both sides should be held accountable.
It just comes down to the old saying: two wrongs don't make a right.
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Agreed, and when they did use him in the finale, it was uninspired.
Well, I'm back with an episode that people have trouble remembering...
"Warhead"
On its surface, this is an absolutely standard Voyager episode. The crew encounters a phenomenon, it turns out to be hostile, the stakes are raised, someone makes a tough choice, and its resolved, with the situation returned to the status quo by the time we air the credits. But there's a lot going on here.
It starts out like it's going to be a Harry Kim episode. We don't get too many of them, so this is interesting. Though it's interesting that he's not considered part of the "senior staff," even though he's one of the most junior people on board. And he's in charge of the night shift, where nothing ever happens...until now.
From the title, it's clear that the thing they find on the planet is a weapon, but none of the characters know that until much later, which makes the viewer think he's smarter than them. Good or bad? I don't know.
Did anyone else can an R2-D2 vibe from the way the bomb was talking to the Doctor?
So it's a bomb, and it basically takes control of the ship. This would have been kind of tiresome had not the bomb taken the Doctor's form, giving Robert Picardo the chance to do some great acting as someone besides the Doctor. He really hits the ball out of the park, as usual. Great idea to give him the chance to do something different, and he takes perfect advantage of it. Even when he's not speaking, it's clear this isn't the Doctor.
I liked Harry's attempts to go Captain Kirk and talk the computer (or bomb) to death. it might have crossed the line into total silliness if someone had lampshaded this by saying, "Do you think you're Captain Kirk or something?"
Once the other bombs showed up, I knew that "our" bomb was going to sacrifice himself to wrap everything up.
So this one was not the most compelling episode plot-wise, but it had some great moments, and a great performance from Robert Picardo. I liked it.
Up next I have the completely non-controversial "Equinox."
"Warhead"
On its surface, this is an absolutely standard Voyager episode. The crew encounters a phenomenon, it turns out to be hostile, the stakes are raised, someone makes a tough choice, and its resolved, with the situation returned to the status quo by the time we air the credits. But there's a lot going on here.
It starts out like it's going to be a Harry Kim episode. We don't get too many of them, so this is interesting. Though it's interesting that he's not considered part of the "senior staff," even though he's one of the most junior people on board. And he's in charge of the night shift, where nothing ever happens...until now.
From the title, it's clear that the thing they find on the planet is a weapon, but none of the characters know that until much later, which makes the viewer think he's smarter than them. Good or bad? I don't know.
Did anyone else can an R2-D2 vibe from the way the bomb was talking to the Doctor?
So it's a bomb, and it basically takes control of the ship. This would have been kind of tiresome had not the bomb taken the Doctor's form, giving Robert Picardo the chance to do some great acting as someone besides the Doctor. He really hits the ball out of the park, as usual. Great idea to give him the chance to do something different, and he takes perfect advantage of it. Even when he's not speaking, it's clear this isn't the Doctor.
I liked Harry's attempts to go Captain Kirk and talk the computer (or bomb) to death. it might have crossed the line into total silliness if someone had lampshaded this by saying, "Do you think you're Captain Kirk or something?"
Once the other bombs showed up, I knew that "our" bomb was going to sacrifice himself to wrap everything up.
So this one was not the most compelling episode plot-wise, but it had some great moments, and a great performance from Robert Picardo. I liked it.
Up next I have the completely non-controversial "Equinox."
Oh yeah, if ever there were an episode fans agreed upon unanimously it would most assuredly be "Equinox".
Man, I couldn't even type that up without laughing.
Man, I couldn't even type that up without laughing.
R2-D2 vibe. I didn't until now.
It was pretty good. I'm not sure why I didn't remember it, but watching it last night I felt like I should have. Especially with all the creepy vibes I was getting from Picardo. *shudder*
And Equinox . . . . You'll be able to participate in the arguments now.
It was pretty good. I'm not sure why I didn't remember it, but watching it last night I felt like I should have. Especially with all the creepy vibes I was getting from Picardo. *shudder*
And Equinox . . . . You'll be able to participate in the arguments now.
What I liked about this episode is that though it at first seems like a Harry Kim ep it is actually a Doctor ep. Harry's "journey" is pretty mediocre stuff, predictable. The Doctor's story is the one of actual development. Finding a sentient artificial life form while on an away mission is super exciting for him and being The Doctor he immediately takes emotional ownership and starts investing. He's arguing for himself when he argues for the warhead's right to sentient existence. But then he has to deal with betrayal which is pretty bad since he sees himself as the Savior.. and in the end to see that the culmination of being sentient for the Warhead is suicide, well that has to have majorly sucked.
Nitpick: "the night shift"?!? HELLO this is not a mall you are doing security work in when everything is closed. It's space. There is no "night" and no reason there will be less drama coming at them than any other time.
Anyone else notice that wooden security guard who beamed down with them? He was like the old TOS extras, completely uncomfortable looking, LOL
Nitpick: "the night shift"?!? HELLO this is not a mall you are doing security work in when everything is closed. It's space. There is no "night" and no reason there will be less drama coming at them than any other time.
Anyone else notice that wooden security guard who beamed down with them? He was like the old TOS extras, completely uncomfortable looking, LOL
^ What was great was the TNG episode--I think it was "Data's Day"--where they showed Data handing the "night shift" off to his day relief and they actually brightened the lights when they made the switch, like a store opening up for business.
Which reminds me that they did a good job of lighting this episode--much of it is pretty subdued and moody looking, and there are some shots of Janeway on the bridge that look downright atmospheric, almost noir-ish.
Which reminds me that they did a good job of lighting this episode--much of it is pretty subdued and moody looking, and there are some shots of Janeway on the bridge that look downright atmospheric, almost noir-ish.
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